Illegal workers hired by city through a contractor

[Anonymous]

[quote=flu][quote=deadzone]Okay so you would prefer the government subsidize foreigner workers than US workers. You are a jackass.[/quote]

No, let’s get rid of everything. Let’s eliminate all social entitlement programs for everyone and cut defense spending by 50-60% and reinvest that same amount of money into our crumbling infrastructure or medicine or the reducing the deficit.

And while we are at it lets revisit social security and make 50% of contributions paid to oneself in a self directed account while the remaining 50% goes to that promised entitlement benefit to our older people.[/quote]

I agree. And if entitlement programs were really cut drastically, you better believe the controversy over illegal workers would be a much bigger deal since the lazy American’s would actually have to work at these low wage jobs for survival.

[FlyerInHi]

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Bullshit. If you give amnesty to everybody currently in the country illegally just “because they are already here” that is a green light for the entire world to come here.[/quote]

Not the entire world. Some people willl come but not everyone. Still, legalization would be at our discretion, never guaranteed, and a process that only the most patient, resilient and hard working would endure. We need population growth so it’s really a win-win.

About people already here and working, you don’t deny humanity and charity to deserving people because of future possibilities. You address the humanitarian needs as they exist today. The future is unknown.

[Anonymous]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=deadzone]

Bullshit. If you give amnesty to everybody currently in the country illegally just “because they are already here” that is a green light for the entire world to come here.[/quote]

Not the entire world. Some people willl come but not everyone. Still, legalization would be at our discretion, never guaranteed, and a process that only the most patient, resilient and hard working would endure. We need population growth so it’s really a win-win.

About people already here and working, you don’t deny humanity and charity to deserving people because of future possibilities. You address the humanitarian needs as they exist today. The future is unknown.[/quote]

But in the meantime, folks like you are in favor of allowing the illegals to continue to work and collect benefits with no risk of deportation. So really there is no compelling reason for these immigrants to be “legalized”, they are doing just fine.

[Anonymous]

[quote=deadzone]
But in the meantime, folks like you are in favor of allowing the illegals to continue to work and collect benefits with no risk of deportation. So really there is no compelling reason for these immigrants to be “legalized”, they are doing just fine.[/quote]

Why are you always trying to define other poster’s point of view for them, with phrases like “folks like you?”

You haven’t even described a problem, let alone suggest a solution.

If you think immigrants are “doing just fine,” then what’s your issue?

Do you “work and collect benefits with no risk of deportation?” Why can’t others do the same?

Do you think illegals have it better than you, or do you believe you are entitled to some privilege simply because of where you were born?

[Anonymous]

[quote=harvey][quote=deadzone]
But in the meantime, folks like you are in favor of allowing the illegals to continue to work and collect benefits with no risk of deportation. So really there is no compelling reason for these immigrants to be “legalized”, they are doing just fine.[/quote]

Do you “work and collect benefits with no risk of deportation?” Why can’t others do the same?
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Because I am an American citizen dumbass.

Just stop arguing, you are for open borders, that’s fine, that is your opinion. Your way of thinking is way out of the mainstream.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=deadzone]
But in the meantime, folks like you are in favor of allowing the illegals to continue to work and collect benefits with no risk of deportation. So really there is no compelling reason for these immigrants to be “legalized”, they are doing just fine.[/quote]

Undocumented residents are not doing just fine. They are not fully integrated into the economy. They are here already, but they are not achieving their potential and we are all losing out. They could be contributing much more… buying houses, seeking better skills, getting paying jobs, opening businesses, etc.. — activities that would make us all richer.

[FlyerInHi]

Talking about lazy bums, here an interesting map of people staying home and collecting disability.

http://www.urban.org/urban-wire/why-are-disability-benefit-rates-so-different-across-small-areas

[Anonymous]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=deadzone]
But in the meantime, folks like you are in favor of allowing the illegals to continue to work and collect benefits with no risk of deportation. So really there is no compelling reason for these immigrants to be “legalized”, they are doing just fine.[/quote]

Undocumented residents are not doing just fine. They are not fully integrated into the economy. They are here already, but they are not achieving their potential and we are all losing out. They could be contributing much more… buying houses, seeking better skills, getting paying jobs, opening businesses, etc.. — activities that would make us all richer.[/quote]

Actually they are doing fine, if they were not doing better financially than they were in their home country they wouldn’t be here. And with no immigration enforcement and no worry about deportation they really have no worries. And now they can even get drivers licenses.

If they didn’t like it, they are free to return to their home country.

[Anonymous]

[quote=deadzone]Actually they are doing fine, if they were not doing better financially than they were in their home country they wouldn’t be here. And with no immigration enforcement and no worry about deportation they really have no worries. And now they can even get drivers licenses.[/quote]

I’m surprised you don’t feel a little more sympathy for them.

After all, they’ll never know satisfaction of overcoming the obstacles that native-born Americans face. It must be so unsatisfying, living the worry-free life of an illegal immigrant.

[Anonymous]

Once again, they are welcome to go home anytime if they are not happy here.

In your utopian view, there would be no borders, no nations, no immigration laws, etc. Everybody would just come to the US and get rich and live in harmony. You clearly have little real world experience, are you like 12 years old?

I would like to live and work in other countries too. For example, I would move to Australia or New Zealand in a heartbeat. But guess what, those countries, like all developed countries, have strict immigration laws, much stricter than the U.S. in fact. The main difference, however, is the U.S. fails to enforce their immigration laws which is a slap in the face to law abiding citizens and immigrants attempting to enter legally.

[Anonymous]

[quote=deadzone]Once again, they are welcome to go home anytime if they are not happy here.

In your utopian view, there would be no borders, no nations, no immigration laws, etc. Everybody would just come to the US and get rich and live in harmony. You clearly have little real world experience, are you like 12 years old?[/quote]

That’s not my view at all, but it seems strawmen is all you have.

The only utopia I see here is your description of the life of illegal immigrants.

I’m mature enough to know that the lot of illegal immigrants is not one to envy.

[quote]I would like to live and work in other countries too. For example, I would move to Australia or New Zealand in a heartbeat. But guess what, those countries, like all developed countries, have strict immigration laws, much stricter than the U.S. in fact. The main difference, however, is the U.S. fails to enforce their immigration laws which is a slap in the face to law abiding citizens and immigrants attempting to enter legally.[/quote]

Wow, life has just not been fair to you.

Carry on with your self-pity.

[Anonymous]

You clearly state that you don’t want US to enforce immigration laws. How is that different than open borders?

Based on your lack of logical reasoning skills I gave you too much credit to assume you were 12.

[FlyerInHi]

We have the laws we have because we are a welcoming country. Because we know that immigrants contribute more than they cost. We need immigrants, and they need us. Win-win.

In many respects, we are better than other countries because behave differently. No need to copy xenophobia and anti-immigrant sentiments.

Our immigration laws are enforced as well as can be. We can change the laws to grant humanity and charity to undocumented residents already here.

[Anonymous]

So how is your statement different from open borders? In your view should we allow any individual in the world to come here and live and work? If not, then why is it okay for Mexicans to sneak across the border in blatant violation of our laws and allow them to live and work as long as they choose. Meanwhile, my hypothetical cousin from the Phillipines cannot even obtain a visa to visit the U.S. let alone work here.

[Anonymous]

[quote=deadzone]You clearly state that you don’t want US to enforce immigration laws. How is that different than open borders? [/quote]

Where did I say that laws should not be enforced?

I did say that the laws should be changed. Anyone that is working here and contributing to our economy should be allowed to be in the country legally.

(The policies I support do not mean that “anyone from anywhere” can just come and go – please spare us the hysterics.)

[quote]Based on your lack of logical reasoning skills I gave you too much credit to assume you were 12.[/quote]

If you want to believe you are losing a debate to a child, that’s up to you.

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