July 30, 2020 at 9:59 PM #22971
Camus’ 1947 book The Plague
Update: Herman wants to thank everyone for praying for him. It’s making a difference. He’s still in the hospital but he’s making progress and we expect to hear more encouraging news as the week progresses. So thank you, everyone, and keep them coming! God is listening.
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Prayer killsJuly 31, 2020 at 5:45 AM #819044svelteParticipant
I watched this with interest yesterday.
He attended the infamous Tulsa Trump rally and didn’t wear a mask – even though he had several high risk factors such as cancer. He even tweeted “Masks will not be mandatory for the event, which will be attended by President Trump. PEOPLE ARE FED UP!”
Nine days later, he was diagnosed with COVID and was in the hospital by July 1.
So he went in eyes wide open and chose the riskiest path.
On top of that, he sat just a few seats down from Oklahoma Gov Stitt who has now also been diagnosed with COVID, though he seems to be handling it better.July 31, 2020 at 7:57 AM #819045
For many, g*d is real but the the virus ain’t. To each his own.July 31, 2020 at 8:09 AM #819046
the issue isn’t whether G-d is real. The issue is scientific studies on whether praying over somebody worsens their outcome. Some studies indicate you do worse if you know someone is praying for you if everyone is religious. the theory; too much social pressure to get well; like, if you don’t get better, somehow you’re disrespecting G-d. If you are prayed over and the prayer recipient doesn’t know he’s being prayed over, then, no worries; you aren’t harming anyone. but if you tell someone you’re going to eb praying hard for them, the extra pressure of that prayer might be enough to worsen their outcome. indeed, in thiscase, it might very well have killed herman cain!
it kidn of makes sense. like, if i tell another church member i’ll be praying for them, it’ll be like they’re letting the whole congregation down if they don’t get better.
A safer tactic would be to tell a person who is sick that you personally lvoe them deeply, that you will ahve a tremendous void in your life if they were gone, and for that reason you deeply hope they will recover. If you must speak to G-d about the issue, it is only for personal strength to support the prayer, who is so deeply impacted by the sickness. this way, you communicate love, but put no pressure on the prayer recipient.
so, if instead of praying for herman, we had said, herman, we love you so much. please hang in there for me. I can’t go on living ona planet without you herman. dear lord, please give me the strength to carry on without herman, that would cheer herman up.
If on the other hand, you go to herman, and say, IN THE NAME OF JESUS, i command the evil spirits within to leave! that puts a lot fo pressure on poor herman to get better and prove the religious belief to be true.
problem is, the person praying probably doesnt really egenrally care all that much about the prayer recipient, btu is actually just trying to show that theyr’e praying is efficacious in the apparently physical world.
it wouldnt be bad if there werent some evdience that we are actively harming people with prayer.July 31, 2020 at 8:10 AM #819047
What happened to the placebo effect? Unless the recipients, deep down, don’t believe in the prayers themselves and realized that if people are praying for them then that means they’re really in deep sh*t?July 31, 2020 at 8:17 AM #819048
well, the science is a mixed bag. it’s kind of hard to study.
i think the really ill religious people dont think of it as a placebo, they think, shit, I better get better or G-d doesn’t exist, or alternatively, everything i’ve believed is BS, at least in part.
that’s stressful. stress kills.
you can pray for a nonbeliever like me though,and not stress meout, because i will assume everything you’re saying spills into a void , but appreciate the gesture anyway.
send me your thoughts and prayers, people, even if im dying.
i’ll deeply appreciate your care and you wont hurt me.
on the other hand, never tell a fellow religious person you’ll be praying for them. too much to lay on anyone. if you must do it, do it silently.
i think herman cain would be alive today had people not been praying for him.
the takeway here; only pray for atheists.July 31, 2020 at 8:44 AM #819049
Given that the overwhelming number of people who die of covid-19 are over 75,
I wonder if say they die over the age of say 80 you just say they died with covid-19.
Or is it that no one is suppose to bring this up.July 31, 2020 at 8:52 AM #819050
[quote=scaredyclassic]on the other hand, never tell a fellow religious person you’ll be praying for them. too much to lay on anyone. if you must do it, do it silently.
Not sure if that’s how it works with the religious. They are not praying unless other could hear or see that they are praying. That’s why many insisting on reopening of the churches amid the Covid-19 pandemic. Silently praying at home is not effective. Apparently, g*d only hangs out at churches.July 31, 2020 at 9:06 AM #819051
[quote=The-Shoveler]Given that the overwhelming number of people who die of covid-19 are over 75,
I wonder if say they die over the age of say 80 you just say they died with covid-19.
Or is it that no one is suppose to bring this up.[/quote]
have you ever met any doctors or medical staff? My wife is a doctor. I hang out with doctors. They are not a bunch of lying dirtbags with a political agenda. I guess you can believe in a world where doctors are this top secret liberal cabal cooking the books. but that is fucking nuts. and it could be bad for your health, if you really believe that. How can you go get medical care if you really need it if you think doctors are adjusting treatment and facts adn outcomes to meet some particular agenda? One needs to have some trust in their doc.
Also, it kind of ignores the fact that shitloads of docs are fairly well off and fairly conservative. not necessarily batshit “frontline” hydroxycholoroquinine is the magic bullet conservative, but like, normal republican conservative.
personally, i also dont trust the medical establishment, but thats because i dont like anyoneto touch me, even myself. I cant even put in eyedrops because that’s too invasive for me. I don’t trust lawyers, or accountants, or dentists. not for political reasons; but because i assume everyone is an idiot until proven otherwise. not in a conspiratorial way. just in a generally I don’t want anyone messing with me way.
I will however take accounting advice, but not without verifying everything. definitely dont trust anyone in real estate.
I am thinking of not going to the dentist anymore. liars.
strangely though, i trust 100% the buddhists at deerpark in escondido.July 31, 2020 at 9:07 AM #819053ocrenterParticipant
On the power of prayer: extremely powerful meditative tool for the person doing the praying. Essentially a very self centered act that benefits your own self. Essentially I feel this sadness, it feels overwhelming, but by relying on this meditative tool, I am able to overcome such sadness. Agree c scary, it either does nothing Or it actually harms the individual being prayed upon. First the added pressure as scary mentioned, also the prayer is said as a favor, “I’m praying for you” implies a favor done for you, when in reality it is for your own sadness.
On Cain. The powerful irony of his death is not lost to the FAUX News MAGA tribe. They are extremely quiet on social media over the last few days.July 31, 2020 at 9:09 AM #819052
[quote=ltsddd][quote=scaredyclassic]on the other hand, never tell a fellow religious person you’ll be praying for them. too much to lay on anyone. if you must do it, do it silently.
Not sure if that’s how it works with the religious. They are not praying unless other could hear or see that they are praying. That’s why many insisting on reopening of the churches amid the Covid-19 pandemic. Silently praying at home is not effective. Apparently, g*d only hangs out at churches.[/quote]
prayer definitely is performance art. does anyone speak in tongues in the privacy of their own bedroom?
this is no fun:
5 “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
it’s almost like He is telling you it’s ok to stay in your home alone….July 31, 2020 at 9:14 AM #819054
so yeah, Im with the prayer program. I have found tremendous benefit from my meditation. it’s probably about the same as praying. different intention, maybe, but same game. silent sitting. im not here to judge the praying. just the publicness of it.
I am meditating for all of you out there. I am sending powerful intentions out to the universe, waves of lvoe to all on piggington.
No pressure. If you still feel shitty and stressed out, you wont be letting me down. justw anted to let you know, and keep a third eye out for the positive vibrations that may be resonating out to the universe from ground zero scaredy.July 31, 2020 at 9:18 AM #819055
I will take that as no one is supposed to bring it up.July 31, 2020 at 9:23 AM #819056
[quote=The-Shoveler]I will take that as no one is supposed to bring it up.[/quote]
you can bring it up, sure.
but maybe refrain from doing it IRL if you wan tnormal people to think you’re not nuts.
look, i have more of a filter generally in person.
i’m nto saying dont say things. i say all kinds a crazy shit.
but i am prepared to be judged.
as should anyone who thinks liberals are keeping covid alive by withholding hydroxychloroguinine, or docs like my wife are falsifying death certificates because the democratic party is pulling their strings.
that’s weeeeird. and thats coming from a weird-o.
so yeah, why didn’t herman cain just take the hydroxychloroquinine? That shit kills covid like listerine on bad breath. you know why?
because liberal doctors only pretended to give him hydroxychloroquinine, but gaev him sugar pills instead, in order to kill him, to make republcians look bad.
right? and then falsified the death certificate, because ina bizarre pot twist, herman cain did not actually die of covid at all! it was a murder! a disgruntled democrat doctor was gradually poisoning him with cancer “meds”, and using covid as a cover.July 31, 2020 at 9:27 AM #819057
I am not saying anyone is falsifying anything,
Just saying the average of death from “all” causes is around 78 or so.
Over 80 maybe you are likely on last legs so to speak.
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