Gun control and real estate

[outtamojo]

You can say gun control don’t work but the flip side of Vegas was that gun proliferation as a defense didn’t work either. Open carry, legal automatic weapons – none of that resulted in a single bullet going the other way. Internet tough guy Bilzerian could not even squeeze off a shot http://www.denverpost.com/2017/10/03/las-vegas-shooting-dan-bilzerian-instagram/

Poor cops are going to get killed standing around trying to figure out who the bad guys are.

[svelte]

[img_assist|nid=26430|title=gun deaths per state|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=466|height=350]

[ocrenter]

[img_assist|nid=26431|title=gun ownership % per state|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=1200|height=971]

[svelte]

Looks like guns are dangerous. Who’da thought? 🙂

[ocrenter]

[quote=svelte]Looks like guns are dangerous. Who’da thought? :-)[/quote]

No no…. don’t you remember guns don’t kill people, people kill people. Certain states just have really dangerous people. LOL

[svelte]

[quote=ocrenter][quote=svelte]Looks like guns are dangerous. Who’da thought? :-)[/quote]

No no…. don’t you remember guns don’t kill people, people kill people. Certain states just have really dangerous people. LOL[/quote]

Love it!

[Anonymous]

I’ve always wondered how an active shooter situation at a gun show would play out.

If it did happen and it spiraled into a mass group suicide, It would be difficult for me not to laugh about it.

[ucodegen]

[quote=njtosd]I love the first one of these, beer AND guns: http://www.vintageadbrowser.com/guns-ads-1950s

Why, if guns were so widely available in the 1950s (and at other times) didn’t we have the problems we do now?[/quote]
I think we, as a country, have lost a few things; like tolerance, patience and civility. We have also gotten numb to what death means – in part from too many first person shooters, in part due to being ‘civilized’.

Prior to 1950,.. and even earlier, there was a greater percentage of people living on a farm, farms were smaller. You had to butcher your own meat, pluck and dress your own turkey – etc. Now everything is so neat and packaged without any thought of what went into it.

Death itself was closer – more personal. Our old lived with us, often in the house of one of the siblings. You would see the process and result of death. It wasn’t so sterilized and sanitized.

The other thing that happened is that kids used to have low powered BB guns – before they grew up and got real ones. The stupid would learn by non-fatal injury that the thing was not to be pointed/waved around mindlessly. (Some BB guns now have almost as much power as a short cartridge .22 cal)

[quote=outtamojo]You can say gun control don’t work but the flip side of Vegas was that gun proliferation as a defense didn’t work either. Open carry, legal automatic weapons – none of that resulted in a single bullet going the other way. Internet tough guy Bilzerian could not even squeeze off a shot http://www.denverpost.com/2017/10/03/las-vegas-shooting-dan-bilzerian-instagram/

Poor cops are going to get killed standing around trying to figure out who the bad guys are.[/quote]

They couldn’t tell where the shots were coming from – and therefore what/who to hide behind. Loud sounds echo between the buildings like crazy. The shot against the sniper would have required a good rifle w/ scope ie M24 Marine sniper rifle – because you would not want to hit anyone in adjoining rooms. It is good that no one tried to return fire with a handgun. Not many people carry around rifles. Vegas Police were pretty quick, but SWAT was slow. Distance between shooter and target was approx 1300 feet – about 1/4 mile.

I heard that the shooter wanted to buy tracer rounds. That would have actually worked against the guy because tracers leave a ‘trace’ from shooter to impact that is visible at almost any angle.

Most people I know who are proficient with firearms, don’t go around making a lot of noise. I like the quote about Bilzerian:

“Um, they got one of the guys,” he says, no gun in sight, all fury gone from his voice. “I’m headed back. I don’t think there’s much I can do.”

So he went home, leaving fans to wonder if one of Instagram’s most formidable stars was something different in real life.

I also have doubts about his claim to; ““Trying to go grab a gun,” he says in the clip. “I’m f– headed back. … Saw a girl get shot in the face right next to me, her f– brains hanging out.”” A 5.56 which it looks like he was using, usually does not ‘blow out’ or ‘blow off’ parts of bodies. The shell is just a little longer than a .22 cal, which is just a little larger than a BB (0.177 cal).

[ucodegen]

[quote=harvey]I’ve always wondered how an active shooter situation at a gun show would play out.

If it did happen and it spiraled into a mass group suicide, It would be difficult for me not to laugh about it.[/quote]
Darwin?

[ucodegen]

[quote=svelte][img_assist|nid=26430|title=gun deaths per state|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=466|height=350][/quote]
From what I remember of that graph, you were able to zoom into an area within a state. Did you try Los Angeles?

[ocrenter]

[quote=ucodegen][quote=svelte][img_assist|nid=26430|title=gun deaths per state|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=466|height=350][/quote]
From what I remember of that graph, you were able to zoom into an area within a state. Did you try Los Angeles?[/quote]

http://www.businessinsider.com/where-americans-most-likely-die-gun-shots-las-vegas-shooting-2017-10

can’t zoom in from the original post.

[svelte]

I didn’t include the text that went along with the diagram (they eluded to the map stats being related to each state’s gun restrictions) because I didn’t think there was enough evidence that the two were related.

OCRenter’s diagram shows there indeed may be other reasons for the map stats. They may be all related (ie, low gun ownership may mean the residents are more open to gun restrictions, low gun ownership means less weapons may mean less weapon deaths, tighter restrictions may mean less weapon deaths, or some combination of these) but that would take somebody to study it in depth to determine.

I don’t have that kind of time. 🙂

[njtosd]

[quote=svelte]I didn’t include the text that went along with the diagram (they eluded to the map stats being related to each state’s gun restrictions) because I didn’t think there was enough evidence that the two were related.

OCRenter’s diagram shows there indeed may be other reasons for the map stats. They may be all related (ie, low gun ownership may mean the residents are more open to gun restrictions, low gun ownership means less weapons may mean less weapon deaths, tighter restrictions may mean less weapon deaths, or some combination of these) but that would take somebody to study it in depth to determine.

I don’t have that kind of time. :-)[/quote]
Almost 2/3 of US gun related deaths are suicides, and the US suicide rate is pretty average (so these would be unlikely to decline significantly if guns ownership declined to European rates). How about some statistics that exclude suicides?

I don’t love guns – not a gun owner, etc. But I think events like this make people believe guns are the problem. As indicated in my post above, guns used to be widely available and we didn’t see this type of shooting.

[ocrenter]

[quote=njtosd][quote=svelte]I didn’t include the text that went along with the diagram (they eluded to the map stats being related to each state’s gun restrictions) because I didn’t think there was enough evidence that the two were related.

OCRenter’s diagram shows there indeed may be other reasons for the map stats. They may be all related (ie, low gun ownership may mean the residents are more open to gun restrictions, low gun ownership means less weapons may mean less weapon deaths, tighter restrictions may mean less weapon deaths, or some combination of these) but that would take somebody to study it in depth to determine.

I don’t have that kind of time. :-)[/quote]
Almost 2/3 of US gun related deaths are suicides, and the US suicide rate is pretty average (so these would be unlikely to decline significantly if guns ownership declined to European rates). How about some statistics that exclude suicides?

I don’t love guns – not a gun owner, etc. But I think events like this make people believe guns are the problem. As indicated in my post above, guns used to be widely available and we didn’t see this type of shooting.[/quote]

Guns are not the problem. Lack of regulation that allows someone to buy and own 40+ weapons and endless ammo is the problem.

If cars need to be registered, if dogs need to be registered, then why not guns?

[FlyerInHi]

I know that my gun investment have done better than my Real
Estate investments. Not much into guns, but my brothers said buy buy buy, so I just went along with their advice.
Problem is that there’s no cash flow, no leverage and I won’t realize profit ‘til I sell.

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