Goodbye to San Diego

[Coronita]

I don’t know…But on that other thread about Apple… If a company spends 1/2 billion dollars on office space in San Diego, that doesn’t seem to suggest we are slowing down anytime soon.

In fact, I think what will happen is higher paid professionals move here.

Will that drive out people who are lower paid, maybe. But I would say it’s a labor pool swap versus Exodus

But I guess EconProf is like deadzone and selectively wants to pick and choose the news to follow.

https://www.piggington.com/apples_plans

Total job growth from Apple’s tech expansion at St. George: 0.01%

[sdrealtor]

Can’t believe it’s taken me this long to post this. Love this song and listen to it often.

One way you’d leave this town….

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=XBoxBoy][quote=EconProf] San Diego County’s population drops a third of a percent (0.33916 percent to be exact) and EconProf calls it a sea change,[/quote]

Full fathom five thy father lies;
Of his bones are coral made;
Those are pearls that were his eyes:
Nothing of him that doth fade,
But doth suffer a sea-change
Into something rich and strange.
Sea-nymphs hourly ring his knell:
Ding-dong.
Hark! now I hear them,—ding-dong, bell

[Escoguy]

Informal Uber rider survey

Of my roughly 800 passengers since May, only one person talked about leaving SD. Several new arrivals from New York (very giddy) and from the Bay Areas.

Woman wanted to leave was from Florida working at a bar in PB and complained about her tips being too low as a “drink server” saying all the tips went to the bar tenders.

Even recent grads working for $23 at Starbucks are staying in spite of not finding careers in their field of study “who know a psychology major only gets $16/hour starting pay”. The price of following one’s “passion”. She mentioned stickiness of family business/customers etc.

Meanwhile, more riders from Apple, Biotech, accounting firms, fair number from Ukraine, occasional from Russia as well (sometimes living higher end)/sometimes desperate.

I almost wish EconProf would change his name as my dad was an economics professor.

There’s a reason it’s called “the dismal science” harking back to Malthus and the looming shortages caused by overpopulation.

Most of us have the benefit of accidental “humility” by not bestowing titles on ourselves in our profiles.

I guess I could call myself CPA/MBA/Multilingual but that may imply competence beyond the scope of the pertinent discussion.

Needless to say, almost all out of towners make mental plans to come back and or move here once they have visited.

Did hear about some Ukrainians going back to fight but they were from Folsom and worked at a truck plant up there, maybe some left San Diego too.

[flyer]

I honestly think most of us have chosen easy handles that we feel are a small representation of who we are, as EP has done, and I’m sure most of us would be qualified to add many layers to those names, if we wanted to, just as you mentioned.

Concerning your Uber survey. It’s very interesting that you’re seeing such diversity in the people visiting and those trying to make it in San Diego. As natives, our family has seen this for years among the newbies. Talk is cheap, and lots of people come here with big ideas, but not all seem to last–especially when it comes to their kids being able to sustain a desirable lifestyle here.

Since more seem to be coming in from more affluent backgrounds, the stats on sustaining a desirable life here long term among the newbies might improve to some degree, but it would be fun to be able to check back with them in 10+ years to see where they are then.

[scaredyclassic]

handles are funny things. My wife says I’m scaredy about some things, but absurdly brave about others. professors might have very narrow expertise (the history of economics in 17th century jewish stetls in the ukraine, for instance, but not in others). We are all much bigger than our handles.

[sdrealtor]

I y’am what I y’am yet so much more

[scaredyclassic]

Probably the best subject to develop expertise in is the self.

[sdrealtor]

106 still zero Apple jobs

[DataAgent]

Piggington has become the FC.com of the 2020s. FC.com was a lot of fun in the early 2000s. But all good things must come to an end. I sure did learn a lot of stuff from both Piggington and FC.com.

[sdrealtor]

I loved FC. We’re still learning here there are just a lot less of us

[sdrealtor]

Just read an article that over 30% of employment in St George is in construction. What’s that gonna look like next year EP?

[EconProf]

[quote=sdrealtor]Just read an article that over 30% of employment in St George is in construction. What’s that gonna look like next year EP?[/quote]

shees, sdr, you just won’t leave this thread die a natural death.
I guess you are saying the higher interest rates will choke off the St. George economy because we are so dependent on construction jobs.
For starters, people and employers are still flocking to St. George. You could double mortgage rates and a given house will still cost less per month than in any big CA city. Plug in utility rates, property taxes, cost of living, etc. and it’s no contest. Our unemployment rate is 2.1%.
There is no way construction jobs are over 30%. Your source, please.
A little googling revealed, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, that the category of “mining, logging, and construction” constituted 12.7% of the St. George civilian work force.

[phaster]

[quote=EconProf][quote=sdrealtor]Just read an article that over 30% of employment in St George is in construction. What’s that gonna look like next year EP?[/quote]

shees, sdr, you just won’t leave this thread die a natural death.
I guess you are saying the higher interest rates will choke off the St. George economy because we are so dependent on construction jobs.
For starters, people and employers are still flocking to St. George. You could double mortgage rates and a given house will still cost less per month than in any big CA city. Plug in utility rates, property taxes, cost of living, etc. and it’s no contest. Our unemployment rate is 2.1%.
There is no way construction jobs are over 30%. Your source, please.
A little googling revealed, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, that the category of “mining, logging, and construction” constituted 12.7% of the St. George civilian work force.[/quote]

just a hunch,… seems to me the quickest way to have a thread ignored is to point out subject matter few want to admit to or face head on

for example WRT the St. George area (like the rest of the South Western USA) there is the issue of drought

[quote]
Tourism is sucking Utah dry. Now it faces a choice – growth or survival?

…Just beyond [Zion] park, the once-sleepy city of St George is rapidly expanding. Tucked into one of the hottest and driest cornersof south-west Utah, the gateway community is the fastest growing city in the US. Tourism has driven new residential growth and businesses in an area that could soon see water shortages – and it’s only expected to get worse.

Though there have been recent moves to try to curb consumption, Utah already has the highest per-capita water usage in the country. In Washington county – home to Zion and St George – usage was an alarming 285 gallons a person a day in 2020, more than double what those in Las Vegas, just hours to the south, use.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/sep/11/tourism-utah-drought-zion-economy
[/quote]

[quote]
In America’s fastest-growing metro, a rising fear water will run out

…St. George and surrounding Washington County, two hours northeast of Las Vegas in Utah’s hottest and driest corner, was once known mostly as the gateway to Zion National Park. Now its stunning landscape is drawing droves of retirees and remote workers from northern Utah and beyond. The county’s population of about 180,000 is expected to more than double by 2050 — even though its single water source, the Virgin River basin, is dwindling as the West remains locked in the worst drought in 1,200 years.

…The area’s growth has been dizzying, St. George Mayor Michele Randall said. She expected the city, established in the 1860s by Mormon pioneers deployed by Brigham Young on a failed mission to grow cotton, to calm when covid hit. Instead, it swelled with pandemic-era pilgrims who decided to stay.

The city is now seeking funding for dozens of additional police officers and firefighters. But Randall said it is water that “keeps me up at night.” Utah has long pushed for a 140-mile pipeline from Lake Powell, the massive Colorado River reservoir, to pump water to the St. George region. But given the lake’s plummeting water, Randall said she has no hope for a pipeline in her lifetime. Water saving and storage must be the plan, she said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/08/15/st-george-utah-water-crisis/
[/quote]

[sdrealtor]

Why are they using so much water per capita?
Could it be all the water used in construction?
Inquiring minds would like to know

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