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September 26, 2012 at 9:40 AM #751887September 26, 2012 at 11:15 AM #751892utcsoxParticipant
[quote=Brutus]My daughter went to the best private schools for next to nothing. For the one year she was in public schools, I got to see how low your average public school has fallen. Every day I thank Dog that she didn’t have to go to public schools.
[/quote]Does your daughter go to one of the “best privates school” in San Diego? If so, can you let us know which one and how much it cost per year? I am sure there are many lurkers are interested in best private schools locally “for next to nothing”.
September 26, 2012 at 11:59 AM #751894sdduuuudeParticipant[quote=CA renter]No, it would go to other “special interests,” like developers, other agencies, etc.[/quote]
I’m not talking about privitization or hiring developers or other agencies to teach school. You are off on some unrelated tangent.
I’m simply saying that hiring non-union teachers as employees will cost the taxpayers less and still provide jobs to teachers. In fact, it could provide more jobs to teachers because for a fixed budget, lower cost per teacher means they could hire more teachers. So, you either get more teaching jobs or the taxpayers save money.
September 27, 2012 at 12:03 AM #751929CA renterParticipant[quote=sdduuuude][quote=CA renter]No, it would go to other “special interests,” like developers, other agencies, etc.[/quote]
I’m not talking about privitization or hiring developers or other agencies to teach school. You are off on some unrelated tangent.
I’m simply saying that hiring non-union teachers as employees will cost the taxpayers less and still provide jobs to teachers. In fact, it could provide more jobs to teachers because for a fixed budget, lower cost per teacher means they could hire more teachers. So, you either get more teaching jobs or the taxpayers save money.[/quote]
Again, this is not at all an unrelated tangent. This is precisely what the anti-union/privatization movement is all about. I keep posting data about it, but apparently you aren’t reading or researching it(???). Am I not being clear about where all the anti-union rhetoric is coming from, or why we’re being inundated with so much anti-labor propaganda? How many times do I have to implore you (and others) to research the topic for yourselves? Don’t take my word for it, do your own research! How many times does it have to be said before people finally grasp what’s going on?
Once again…the anti-union propaganda is not coming from taxapayer advocates! It is coming from the privatization movement, and this is where things like Prop 32 are coming from.
http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Prop-32-Bad-for-Calif-and-democracy-3839909.php
If the unions are dismantled, the privatization movement will be able to take over public assets, the public school system, and other public functions. THEY WILL NOT SAVE TAXPAYERS ANY MONEY! That is not their goal, and it was never their goal. They want to own public assets and control public cash flows. They are not looking to save you money. All Joe Sixpack will get from this is a smaller pool of decent, living-wage jobs.
When you hear about “education reform,” it is coming directly from the privatization movement. If we move to a non-union workforce in public education, these schools will be taken over by private charter school companies. The reason the attacks on unions have been so vicious is because unions are the only thing standing between public control over our assets/services and privatization which will further concentrate wealth and eliminate millions of decent jobs across the U.S.
September 27, 2012 at 12:29 AM #751941CA renterParticipantAnd no, privatization does not usually mean lower costs for taxpayers/consumers of public services. In many, many cases, costs have gone UP as a result of privatization. I’ve addressed this in another thread.
Again, if you can find evidence showing that privatization provides better value for the money, I’d like to see it.
Let’s also hear how the loss of millions of decent-paying jobs that are available to the general public will result in better outcomes for Joe Sixpack.
————————“With his legal training and business background, Mr. Brill is expert at chronicling the union’s failings. He documents the growth of the New York City teachers’ contract from 39 pages in 1962 to 200 today, along with work rules that can be used at every turn to obstruct principals from improving schools. He details the case of a Stuyvesant High School teacher who was so drunk that she passed out at her desk, only to have the union claim on its Web site that she was disciplined as part of a scheme to harm senior teachers.
He goes a lot easier on the reformers who have spent recent years pushing the expansion of charter schools and standardized tests. Mr. Brill identifies the millionaires and billionaires who attack the unions and steered the Democratic Party to their cause. There is Whitney Tilson, who parlayed $1 million of his parents’, relatives’ and own money to build a hedge fund that he told Mr. Brill was worth $50 million; Ravenel Boykin Curry IV, who works for the family’s money fund and has homes in Manhattan, East Hampton and the Dominican Republic; and David Einhorn, who at age 38 “was already one of Wall Street’s successful short sellers.”’
“…Reviewers have criticized Mr. Brill for making what seems like a bizarre turnaround in the book’s final chapter. When I asked him about it, he said the two years spent reporting had changed him.
In the book’s first 420 pages, he bashes the union and its president, Randi Weingarten, is dismissive of veteran teachers and extols charters.
Three people seem to have altered that thinking. First, David Levin, a founder of the Knowledge Is Power Program, the biggest charter chain in the country, told him that charter schools would never be able to train near the number of quality teachers needed to populate all public schools.
Second, Jessica Reid, an assistant principal at Harlem Success who worked night and day to improve the lives of poor children, burned out right before Mr. Brill’s eyes and quit midyear.
And third, against the odds, he came to like Ms. Weingarten. “She really cares about this stuff,” he told me.
The book ultimately concludes that only the union can supply quality veteran teachers on the scale needed”.
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