I though Rich presented his arguments very succinctly in both debates (I’m obviously biased).
In the first, it is painfully obvious to anyone with any logical reasoning abilities that Mr Jolly was grasping at puppies and cupcakes to defend his argument. Charles Jolly might have interrupted a number of times, but “steamrolled” implies that Rich’s arguments did not stand up to the test.
At least the second debate focused on facts – the Sandag argument was interesting. But again, Rich’s arguments held up much better. And I thought Rich appeared much more comfortable this time.
This bubble issue is complicated, so there is a segment of the population that doesn’t want to understand it and couldn’t if it wanted to. Rich is not speaking to these people. I also know that Rich finds the Chris Matthews style of debate – whoever talks loudest wins – repulsive, so he’s not going to act like a jerk for the sake of convincing viewers who are probably hopeless anyway.