Fence rebuilder

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Submitted by flu on July 10, 2017 - 10:02am

So. I'll take advantage of the new forum section (thanks Rich)... Who do you recommend to rebuild a wooden fence? I think I called all the major ones and a few minor ones. Just wanted to see who people like or don't like.

Submitted by XBoxBoy on July 10, 2017 - 10:24am.

I've had good results from Bear Fence.

Submitted by Hobie on July 10, 2017 - 12:37pm.

Use metal posts into concrete, then rebuild your wood. They will not rot out like wood.

They are called: steel fence post, H channel or hat post.

Submitted by flu on July 10, 2017 - 1:05pm.

Hobie wrote:
Use metal posts into concrete, then rebuild your wood. They will not rot out like wood.

They are called: steel fence post, H channel or hat post.

Yeah, I know. Thanks. The estimates so far differ by $150 between using treated wood posts or steel posts with a wood facade. Steel for the win...

Submitted by DataAgent on July 10, 2017 - 2:18pm.

I've had a good experience with HD Fence:
https://www.yelp.com/biz/hd-fence-san-di...

Submitted by flu on July 10, 2017 - 4:50pm.

Thank you all so far. More please.. I'm calling a bunch of these places, to get multiple offers. Will pick something in the middle...

Submitted by svelte on July 11, 2017 - 6:02pm.

By coincidence, I had fences installed on two separate properties within the last 12 months.

I used different companies for each fence (long story, no fault of either company) and both did a respectable job.

Barrett Southwest Fence
Frontier Fence

I specified the same fence on both properties, so I was able to do an apples to apples comparison of the result.

End result was roughly the same, with Barrett sticking closer to spec and using a few more nails.
Time from order to install was pretty short with Barrett, and much much longer with Frontier - plus it was harder to get Frontier nailed down on a date - it kept changing. I have to say Frontier was fine with a couple of design changes I threw at them last minute which I appreciated.

Either will build you a fine fence. I slightly prefer Barrett.

http://www.barrettfence.com/

http://frontierfencecoinc.com/

I called quite a few companies to get quotes. I was amazed at how few wanted to come out and give me one. Business must be good right now!

Submitted by gzz on July 12, 2017 - 1:04pm.

A fence is about the simplist thing to do yourself.

I enjoyed picking through the pickets at home depot to find the reddest redwood.

I put two side stacked rows of standard bricks partly underground below the wood to make it harder for weeds and animals to burrow under the fence, and also so the bottom of the pickets had less soil contact.

Submitted by flu on July 12, 2017 - 1:18pm.

I am at a point in life where my free time is significantly more valuable than money, especially something I don't enjoy doing. My primary house doesn't make me any money, so spending my time on it myself is very expensive.

Not to mention, the fence is shared with my neighbor, so the cost will be half. If I were to do it myself, my neighbor would be getting the fence labor for free.

So far the worse case price appears to be around $2200. So my part is $1100. There are cheaper alternatives, but considering the previous fence held up for almost 20 years, that's pretty good.

Submitted by svelte on July 12, 2017 - 7:24pm.

I'm with flu, time is too valuable now.

At $2200, you must be contemplating one side of the house, at least if your lot is the same size as mine are.

I like the two rows of bricks idea. I've been pouring a strip of cement under my fences for the same purpose, but that's getting a bit tedious at my age. May consider bricks or similar from here on out...

Submitted by plm on July 13, 2017 - 10:22am.

gzz wrote:
A fence is about the simplist thing to do yourself.

I enjoyed picking through the pickets at home depot to find the reddest redwood.

I put two side stacked rows of standard bricks partly underground below the wood to make it harder for weeds and animals to burrow under the fence, and also so the bottom of the pickets had less soil contact.

My rental property I need to fix up so I need to repair some pieces of the wood fence and also replace the rusted out wrought iron fence. Are the wood pieces all standard size so I just buy new ones and replace. Or do I need a saw to cut to length? Don't know if I should do it myself or just have whatever company I find to do the wrought iron fix, fix the wood fence as well.

Thanks

Submitted by FlyerInHi on July 13, 2017 - 11:23am.

Why not consider a vinyl fence? Less maintenance.

Submitted by flu on July 13, 2017 - 11:58am.

plm wrote:
gzz wrote:
A fence is about the simplist thing to do yourself.

I enjoyed picking through the pickets at home depot to find the reddest redwood.

I put two side stacked rows of standard bricks partly underground below the wood to make it harder for weeds and animals to burrow under the fence, and also so the bottom of the pickets had less soil contact.

My rental property I need to fix up so I need to repair some pieces of the wood fence and also replace the rusted out wrought iron fence. Are the wood pieces all standard size so I just buy new ones and replace. Or do I need a saw to cut to length? Don't know if I should do it myself or just have whatever company I find to do the wrought iron fix, fix the wood fence as well.

Thanks

It depends. If it's just a panel that is broken, that's easy to fix. If posts are broken, then you pretty much need a complete fence, since the labor it takes to disassemble the original fence just to remove and replace the post is much more than the cost of material itself.

Submitted by flu on July 13, 2017 - 11:59am.

FlyerInHi wrote:
Why not consider a vinyl fence? Less maintenance.

I'm only replacing one side, and it would look funny if once side is wood and the other is vinyl

Submitted by gzz on July 13, 2017 - 4:59pm.

I agree if you can afford a house in SD, your time is probably more valuable than DIY labor.

That is the case for me, but I found fencing to be kind of relaxing and idiot proof work that was fun to do with family.

The plumbing work you all were talking about earlier seemed more stressful. But the main work of a fence is hauling lumber, painting, and driving screws. So good exercise where you can turn your brain 75% off after a day sitting behind a desk.

I only replaced my non-shared fences actually. My neighbors are too cheap to pay for half of a fence replacement even though they are termite damaged and partly rotted. I also do not want to argue with them about design. A few parts that were very bad I just paid for myself, but I won't do it all at my expense.

Submitted by gzz on July 13, 2017 - 5:03pm.

Vinyl will also last forever while wood will be lucky to last 20 years.

You can have it "look funny" now and just do the other side later. But I don't think it would look unusual to not have fences on each side match, especially if there is already different landscaping on each side.

My bigger problem with vinyl is cheap vinyl fences are still a somewhat expensive and look cheap and ugly, while wood-look vinyl is extremely expensive.

Submitted by plm on July 13, 2017 - 5:09pm.

In my rental, one neighbor replaced the fence with a white vinyl one. and the other side is still wood painted brown and it doesn't look bad having two different types. What is ugly though is the vinyl fence. Wood looks so much better than the vinyl fence.

Submitted by svelte on July 16, 2017 - 4:07pm.

flu wrote:
FlyerInHi wrote:
Why not consider a vinyl fence? Less maintenance.

I'm only replacing one side, and it would look funny if once side is wood and the other is vinyl

Some HOAs have restrictions against vinyl fences, I know from experience. Check your CCRs before doing any fence changes.

Submitted by njtosd on July 16, 2017 - 4:51pm.

plm wrote:
In my rental, one neighbor replaced the fence with a white vinyl one. and the other side is still wood painted brown and it doesn't look bad having two different types. What is ugly though is the vinyl fence. Wood looks so much better than the vinyl fence.

The vinyl ones that I notice look shiny and cheap, but maybe there are good ones that I don't notice that are higher quality vinyl with a more natural look....

Submitted by sdduuuude on August 3, 2017 - 9:50am.

I know the Bear fence owner personally. He's a Clairemont guy. Runs a solid business and has for many years.

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I'll offer up an alternative opinion regarding the value of your time and "DIY" work.

The important thing to understand is that you don't pay contractors in pre-tax dollars. You pay them in after-tax dollars.

Lets say your time is worth $75/hr pre-tax. That's about $150K per year, which is pretty substantial - certainly enough to afford a home. It means you are paying, say 35%, in taxes so after tax, your time is worth about $50/hour after-tax.

Also, consider that when dealing with a licensed contractor who pays for all the benefits and insurance, a basic laborer costs about $40/hr. Plumbers charging me $80/hour for their time to do work on my project - that's $123/hr pre-tax. Not a bad rate if you can DIY.

You have to adjust for the fact that you can't work as fast as a professional, but you also have to adjust for the fact that you burn time watching and managing contractors as well. Also, these guys will bid by the job to hide the number of hours.

I just cancelled a plumber because the numbers didn't add up. He bid a job for $7,500 then reduced it to $5900 after some negotiation. A couple days before he was going to start he said "we'll be done by the end of the day." Hmmmm. Three dudes. One day. That's 24 hours. Subtract out $1500 for materials and I get $4400 divided by 24 hours - that's $183/hour after-tax. I did the job myself. Was painful and it took me 45 hours instead of 24, but I still made $110 after-tax. Not bad.

Again the critical point is - you pay for contractors with after-tax dollars and you pay them for liability insurance, workers comp, benefits, etc that you don't have to pay yourself. If you have skills, use them.

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