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bible humpers.

Because all they hear is:

blah blah blah PROUD AMERICAN blah blah blah FREEDOM blah blah blah THESE COLORS DON'T RUN blah blah blah

quite frankly, they are not particularly educated and they tend to be bible thumpers and hence you get that result, no surprises there...but,
good thing we have Bill Kristol to support useless wars...otherwise people would get upset (Kristoll never spent a minute in the armed forces). whoops, that was a William Kristol apology moment, sorry....

Um, are you seriously suggesting that abortion is 'birth control'???!!! I just don't get THAT.

Conservatives who don't like stem cell research or gays getting married.

uhh, because maybe not everyone shares your value system? Amazingly for someone who is obviously supporting a party that professes acceptance and diversity you are very narrow minded.

1) Saying things like "fly over country" does not endure you, nor your party, to the people who live there.

2) Some people view all abortion as murder. While I disagree, I can understand the argument.
2.5) The topic brought up was birth control, not abortion, though some people view them related. For those who don't, remember that some people view birth control as a woman only sleeping with her husband. They view the womans responsibility to their children as a fundamental, even if the child isnt born yet. Also, their religion tells them birth control is wrong, and they feel that way weither you like it or not.

3) Some people value other things more than money. Just as an example, military. Many of the people you so dont understand were horrified by the greeting recieved in by those who served in Vietnam. I once had a formerly 'active' teacher who admitted once that maybe, just maybe, they were wrong once upon a time. Feelings those she helped instill dont just go away.

4) The kinda superior tone expressed so often on here does not win hearts or minds. Calling them rednecks, hicks, or backwards ass uneducated poor people wont endure you to them any more than calling their home "fly over country". You view yourself as more educated then they are, they view themselves as more moral than you are. What a supprise that nothing gets done when no one is willing to admit that maybe there is some good coming from the other side.

5) They see people like the guy who punched a couple in their 70's because they had a "yes on 8" sign in their yard and he didnt like it. Now I know all about the idiots on the Republican side and so do those people you dont understand. There are plenty of them on both sides and no one disputes that. But if the argument is you shouldnt be a republican because of all the intollerant, violent, angry people in it, that kinda sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.

6) Who says Democrats are better at leading or budgeting? Last I checked: "27 states facing mid-year shortfalls are Alabama, Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Mississippi, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, and Wisconsin. In addition, the District of Columbia faces a budget shortfall". Lets put that up against a map of who voted for Obama tonight and see which states are being poorly run. I am sure we all know that CA is a basket case right now, and it is run by Democratic controlled Congress/House. Sure Arnold is there, but he is atleast TRYING to do something about it all other than raise taxes.
The point isnt that Democrats suck and Republicans rule, i know for a fact there is a 'state or two' in there that is run by republicans. The point is Democrats are not better, and it is hard to inspire people with "We suck just as much as the do!"

AND most importantly.......
7)Some people actually feel that the Government cant fix all problems. I know that is foreign thought, because Obama is all knowing, all powerful, and all compasionate while still cool under pressure; but some people actually feel that the answer to many of the ills we face is best found in the people and not Washington. They dont want Gov to fix it for them, because half the time they know it was Gov that was the problem in the first place. Look at housing. We never would have had the bubble in the first place were it not for 1% interest, Requiring Subprime lending, thoughtless deregulation (bipartisan BTW), Fannie/Freddie, massive subsidies and tax breaks, Etc Etc etc. Now it is Hundreds of Billions of debt our Children will have to repay to hold the mess all together. Government was the probelem, not the answer, and atleast parts of the Republican party pays lipservice to the ideals of a small government constrained/empowered by the Constitution. I have never heard that from a true Democrat. All they ever see is how they can make things "better".

I assume that the OP meant this as a simple trolling post. Do you really believe that the median Democrat has a higher IQ or higher education level than the median Republican?

Here ya go: http://phillips.blogs.com/goc/2007/04/de...

I believe that the median Republican is significantly more brainwashed by the church than the median Democrat.

I also believe that voters with postgraduate degrees voted for Obama 58% to 40%.

Finally, it's no coincidence that poorest and least educated states in the country (Kentucky, Alabama, Mississippi) are solid Republican, and residents of highly educated, high-tech places like San Mateo County and Marin County are voting 75% for Obama.

Cause everyone knows that people with really expensive pieces of paper saying they know something are really smart and never wrong. Just look at wall street!

)Some people actually feel that the Government cant fix all problems. I know that is foreign thought, because Obama is all knowing, all powerful, and all compasionate while still cool under pressure; but some people actually feel that the answer to many of the ills we face is best found in the people and not Washington.

"Yes, our greatness as a nation has depended on individual initiative, on a belief in the free market. But it has also depended on our sense of mutual regard for each other, of mutual responsibility. The idea that everybody has a stake in the country, that we're all in it together and everybody's got a shot at opportunity. Americans know this. We know that government can't solve all our problems - and we don't want it to. But we also know that there are some things we can't do on our own. We know that there are some things we do better together."

-- Barack Obama

I assume that the OP meant this as a simple trolling post. Do you really believe that the median Democrat has a higher IQ or higher education level than the median Republican?

Would also be interesting to cross correlate with how many of the ones that are Grads had 'daddy' pay for the education versus paying for it themselves.. and break that down into party affiliation.

It would also be interesting to see if there was a liberal arts vs hard science breakdown on the education vs political party.

I found it interesting that Republicans show as higher incomes but Democrats show as higher education in the study.. somethings up there because there is a strong correlation between education and income. Maybe more Republicans have started businesses??

When I was in college, I noticed that many of the students whose parents were paying, were taking liberal arts majors while those having to pay all or a significant portion of their own education were taking hard science courses.

==liberal arts classes never required me to work on a project for 56 hours straight to get it done.. but one of my EECE courses did. The hard science people are generally the ones in the libraries and at computer terminals after 6:00pm, or early in the morning.

You make some really good points DWCAP. I actually think we need more of that. Just because the Republicans made a pretty poor choice in Palin and Bush era was disaster doesn't mean we should think we know everything about everyone who voted for them. Or condemn them. I think the fact that the Republicans work so damn hard for the stupid vote should get some of the blame for the perceptions too.

I found it interesting that Republicans show as higher incomes but Democrats show as higher education in the study

And what a horrible trait it is, to put something above money. What next, caring about the environment over money. Disgusting

Surely, if you were on Easter Island you would have been calling to build bigger stone heads over preserving the trees.

I read somewhere that people will tend to vote in their best interest, unless they are fearful.

I'd always wondered why poor rural folk would repeatedly vote to lower their quality of life in order to improve that of the wealthiest five percent.

It all comes down to fear. Fear of terrorists, brown people, high taxes, being gay, wolves, bears, whatever.

Make them afraid and they'll happily chose to surrender everything.

About "fly-over country", let's bring it back to real estate. Don't we generally think that San Diego is superior real estate?

I believe that the majority of Piggs agree that living in San Diego (or along either the West or East coasts) is worth the premium.

It that being "superior" or just stating the obvious?

Are there simple answers that answer this question, or is the mere act of asking the question what raises the hackles?

Whats always perplexing to me (and my biases) is that each party appeals to certain constituencies, and yet never delivers to them.

For instance the Republicans tend to appeal to rural voters. I'd would surmise largely on social issues. Its never really been able to deliver on those issues, and it probably never will.

The Democrats tend to appeal to poor urban wealthy urban voters. Its has however really turned its back on them to become more centrist.

Each group still solidly votes for its party. I have a sneaking suspicion it has less to do with delivering on the goods than it does each groups deep seated mis-trust of the other.

Prior to WWII both parties were centrist, with liberal and conservative wings, anyone remember the Dixiecrats? It was the move towards legislation of social equality that really accelerated both parties moves away from the center.

What benefits did we as a nation get from each party moving away from the center? I think we can all pretty plainly see the costs. Political deadlock and a culture war that can never be, "won."

Josh

The electoral map speaks for itself.

Locate the medium to large cities and locate the rural areas on the map.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/el...

I would consider myself a Mickey Edwards type of Republican. I'm registered Republican but I contributed and voted for Obama.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...

Fresh Air from WHYY, November 5, 2008 · Former Republican Congressman Mickey Edwards argues that the conservative movement has strayed from its founding principles. His book, Reclaiming Conservatism, offers a critique of the movement's current incarnation — and a blueprint for its future success.

I'd rather be brainwashed by a church than by the media.

These "dumb" rural folk you all seem to loathe so arrogantly may simply be swayed more by values than the lies fed to the rest of the so-called "educated" nation by a liberal media. Maybe they don't watch MTV.

The media sold this election to Obama because he wasn't George Bush. Change for the sake of change is short-sighted, but we got it.

You can't tax a nation into prosperity, "wealth distribution" will destroy what's left of the middle class, bigger Government is not a solution, and now that ours is ruled by Democrats they have no excuse for getting nothing done.

If the last 2 years are any indication of that, Obama will be impeached in no time.

Don't underestimate how fickle Americans are.

As soon as the rural areas stop calling us "unpatriotic" and "not part of real America" and "terrorist sympathizers" and "heathens" and "fags" and "Volvo drivers" and "latte sippers" and "wellfare moms" and "crack whores" then we will stop calling them "fly-over country." Sound like a deal?

But we also know that there are some things we can't do on our own. We know that there are some things we do better together.

Was this quote suppose to answer the objection that many people dont want Gov intervention? Cause I and many others have a feeling the first part you bolded was little more than political cover for the second part that I bolded. If it wasn't, what is the reason for saying both? Why not just say, " We know that government can't solve all our problems - and we don't want it to, and I wont try to" ?

@arraya

I found it interesting that Republicans show as higher incomes but Democrats show as higher education in the study

And what a horrible trait it is, to put something above money. What next, caring about the environment over money. Disgusting

Lovely.. now you have demonstrated that you know how to quote out of context.. followed by adding an inflammatory remark. 'sweet'.. to coin someone...

Lets try the second part.. somethings up there because there is a strong correlation between education and income. Maybe more Republicans have started businesses... like the one that may employ you?

@barnaby33

For instance the Republicans tend to appeal to rural voters. I'd would surmise largely on social issues. Its never really been able to deliver on those issues, and it probably never will.

Actually in a way, they have.. most rural voters want less government and government out of their lives. They want to be left alone. As for this current, soon to be past, administration; I don't think they left the rural voters alone.. could be part of why the political shift?

.. as for the political costs associated with both parties moving to the extremes.. I agree. I am more of a centrist.

Was this quote suppose to answer the objection that many people dont want Gov intervention? Cause I and many others have a feeling the first part you bolded was little more than political cover for the second part that I bolded. If it wasn't, what is the reason for saying both? Why not just say, " We know that government can't solve all our problems - and we don't want it to, and I wont try to" ?

When we listen to politicians talk it is tempting to parse their words and try to figure out how they're attempting to fool or trick us. After all, George W. Bush ran on a platform of humble foreign policy, no nation building, reduced government spending and interference in our lives. He was going to restore trust and accountability to the white house. After eight years of higher deficits, two nation-building wars, warrantless wiretaps, huge no-bid contracts for his crony buddies, and giant new bureaucracies like DHS, it's clear that those of us who voted for him got exactly the opposite of what we were promised. At this point it would be easy to be cynical and suspicious of any new president; I guess I'm just willing to give this Obama guy the same chance I gave George W. Bush -- let's see if he's the real deal or just another sellout phony. I am prepared to be disappointed but I hope I'm not.

It's all in context...

One morning, a US business man was walking down a beach in Mexico. He happened across a local man fishing and stopped to talked to him. The business man asked, “Do you live around here?” The fisherman replied, “Yes, I do.” “My house is just over there and I own this stretch of beach”, said the fisherman. “Are you crazy?” exclaimed the businessman. “You could get a loan and build a large hotel. And if you really worked hard and make a lot of money, you could fish anytime you want”, said the business man. The fisherman replied, “And why would I want to do that, I fish anytime I want now”.

Does having more money or education = better quality of life or does it become a slave to society?

Do you think both parents working 50-60 hrs per week supporting large houses, cars, and bills are better than spending more time with your family?

Who are the truly smart ones? A simple life is not necessarily a dumb life. I bet they have a much smaller carbon foot print than the majority of Dems in the big cities. That would be interesting to see: which states (red or blue) uses the most energy per capita?

Just some thoughts from a rural boy born & raised in the big city...

Lucky In OC

FWIW:

Born in Nebraska and lived there until 12yo.
Worked (and paid) my way thru undergrad to get a BS Chem.
Saved up until I could pay my way through grad to earn an MS MatSci.
Voted Obama. Registered Independent.
Live in the sticks and heat the house with wood that I cut down and split by hand.

So, I guess that I'm another one of those lazy lefties that's always looking for a handout.

Most Republicans who've responded to this thread have insulted my intelligence and belief system, in their attempt to defend their belief system.

Either people are respectful or they're not. It's that simple.

Big Government, small government; it's hard to define. What I (and I suspect many Democrats and Republicans) really want is an effective government that provides services that we really need. Take healthcare for example, having HMO corporations compete for consumers' business is a good idea and should be kept intact; however, as healthcare technology improves, so does the cost of providing it. Just as we subsidize public education (granted to varying degrees of success), why not let people choose the health plan they like, make HMO's compete for our business, but get our respective State governments to subsidize a PORTION of it; and also mandate that HMO's can't drop our coverage every time we sneeze. This preserves competitiveness, but allows us as Americans to essentially "help" each other out and bring in less fortunate people, college students, younger people who don't make as much money and such, into the healthcare fold; we're paying taxes already, don't we deserve a service such as this?

I'll pass on listening to folks who think dinosaurs existed 6,000 years ago. Really, I will. And I'll say that I thought we wanted our kids to go to good schools and get educated. But different ambition for different folks....

As an fyi, on who folks are listening to:

Mark Steyn (Canadian, no college degree)
Glenn Beck (ex alchoholic, no college degree)
Rush Limbaugh (little drug issue, no college degree)
Matt Drudge (341/365 in high school, no college degree)
Sean Hannity (no college degree)

Rachel Maddow (Stanford, Rhodes Scholar)
Keith Olbermann (Cornell)
Al Franken (Harvard)
Jon Stewart (William and Mary)
Stephen Colbert (Northwestern)

For more data points

George WIll (PhD Princeton)
David Brooks (University of Chicago).

When Parker, Will, Brooks and Noonan start complaining about the anti-education bent of the Republican party maybe some of you party faithful should listen? You've lost all the Rockefeller Republicans (like myself) in the past 14 years and it just seems to be getting worse.

I think my husband and I would skew your theory...
My parents paid for my undergraduate degree - but insisted it be in something I could get a job in... (BSEE).

I put myself through grad school. (Well, my employer picked up part of it - I went nights while working full time.)

So I had "daddy" pay for my education, studied a math/science field, yet still turned out liberal.

My husband put himself through college in Architecture... he's also a liberal.

And we plan on doing for our kids what my parents did - pay for the education, with veto power on the majors... they only get the free ride if they get a degree that will help with employment and if they maintain the GPA.

As far as people voting against their best interests - the book "What's the matter with Kansas" looks at this very closely - and how the GOP party changed to get new "values voters". A term which has always offended me since I consider the values of compassion and social concern to be valid values as well.

Duke: Thanks for your usual thoughtful and cogent response.

I mentioned on another thread how horrified I was watching Palin and her celebration of ignorance.

I remember a Jesuit priest describing Faith and Reason as the two wings that were necessary to lift you. I don't know at what point intelligence and spirituality gave way to ignorance and religiosity in the Republican Party, but this is what we're left with now.

We need to find our way back to those core beliefs that defined us and recognize that the Reagan Revolution is over. We need to recognize that ideas do matter, as well as finding the flexibility necessary to reach out to those groups that we've managed to alienate and disenfranchise.

Allowing the Palins of the party to continue to dominate will sound the death knell of the GOP. This election and these last eight years are a clarion call we'd better heed. Or else.

UCGal,

I totally agree. I think a graduate education (whether liberal arts or hard science--I have both) will be more of an indicator than a split. You don't find folks in the life sciences that will accept intelligent design.

The split actually might be between (a) business and (b) liberals arts and the sciences with regard to social conservatism. You don't have to deal with "nasty" science classes that might contend with your view of how the world came about or with "evil" philosophy classes that challenge you to think about your place in the world.

If I am one of those who has insulted you, I would like to hear how I did it.