Calif. 2nd in revenue lost to other states
Running a far second behind New York.
We lost $27 Billion by people moving out from 1999-2009. New York lost $45B.
Florida gained $70 Billion.
Arizona gained $18 Billion.
Texas gained $16 Billion.
We can be #1, it's within our reach.
NSR: Not so fast. One-third of ALL U.S. welfare recipients live in California, making us #1 in that category.
LA Times article: http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/02/...
It's a fairly depressing read, but won't shock anyone who has been watching California bleed out over the last 20 years.
I guess all those companies just couldn't "hack it" so they left.
NY and California pay a lot more to DC per resident than they get back in subsidies. I suspect that if CA wasn't tied to the rest of America, it would do just fine and have a balanced budget. 8th or 9th largest economy in the world and all that.
If you want to see a "welfare" state, look at Mississippi or Arkansas.
A few factors explain that much-misunderstood statistic. On the revenue side, many big corporations have headquarters in CA and NY (although that is changing), plus our progressive income tax structure takes more from high earners in the bigger states with higher costs of living.
On the expenditure side, the rural states have more military bases, interstate highways, and farm subsidies (which go mainly to the wealthy in those states.
On the expenditure side, the rural states have more military bases, interstate highways, and farm subsidies (which go mainly to the wealthy in those states.
EconProf: But, you're forgetting one key thing: Never, ever let the facts get in the way of a good story!
I vote for Secession, I Vote for California to secede.
As long as we can move the capitol from Sacra-ghetto, I'm all for it!
On the expenditure side, the rural states have more military bases, interstate highways, and farm subsidies (which go mainly to the wealthy in those states.
EconProf: But, you're forgetting one key thing: Never, ever let the facts get in the way of a good story!
Especially facts that have no attributed source, or don't even make sense!
Sure the tax system takes more from high earners in states with higher costs of living. But if costs are higher in CA, shouldn't the state also receive more federal dollars to make up for the relative cost differences? If it costs more to live here, it probably costs more to build a road here.
Military bases in CA:
http://www.nps.gov/nagpra/documents/base...
Not many interstate highways in CA? ... do we really even need to think about that one?
Farm subsidies? CA is fairly high on the list of total dollars received but, despite CA's massive agricultural industry, the money received per capita is on the low end of the farm-subsidy scale.
The farm subsidies for TX are more than twice that of CA:
http://farm.ewg.org/
Sorry folks, Red State Socialism is a very real phenomenon.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...
Why? It keeps all of the politicians from polluting more pristine places. Kind of like how DC was built on a malarial swamp :)
Why? It keeps all of the politicians from polluting more pristine places. Kind of like how DC was built on a malarial swamp :)
That comment of mine was actually tongue planted firmly in cheek.
As a native Californian, I'm all for keeping the state gubment exactly where it is.
I remember a class field trip to Sacto during grade school. Senator Hayakawa was visiting and sitting in on some committee or other and dozing (loudly) throughout. One of my teachers smiled and said, "See, democracy in action!"
Clearly, not much has changed.
So was mine :)
So was mine :)
I figured as much. Although, all things equal, the capitol for a proposed People's Republic of California should ideally be sited in San Francisco.
We're #1!
In the number of millionaires per state:
http://www.netstate.com/states/tables/st...
You guys can look at the glass half empty all you want...spitting out pieces of your broken luck...
So was mine :)
I figured as much. Although, all things equal, the capitol for a proposed People's Republic of California should ideally be sited in San Francisco.
I don't think NorCal would want to do anything with SoCal. If there's any secession, it would be NorCal breaking away from the rest of CA...I think they wouldn't mind leaving the "lazy, bump, fake booby, bimbo, shallow, BMW-galore,mexico border humping" SoCal to fend for itself... Not to mention it could make a pretty sum of money charging SoCal for water, considering NorCal actually gets rain, and we're a desert down here...
Other than proximity to extreme Southerners, doesn't all this apply to (say) the Marina District of SF? ;)
As far as water, solar and/or nuclear desalination can go a long way.
Other than proximity to extreme Southerners, doesn't all this apply to (say) the Marina District of SF? ;)
As far as water, solar and/or nuclear desalination can go a long way.
spdrun, I'm so disappointed in you.. It's about magnitude. Haven't you noticed yet? In SoCal, you find more fakey Bimmer drivers than honda accords/toyota camry's. Everybody is a fakey/image aware person down here..
Yes as a California native, I think of my 20 year old Ford as a fashion statement.
Well, if you're in Orange County, your 20 year old Ford makes you the gardener...
As Fernando on SNL used to say, "It is better to look good, than feel good, my friends!"
Northeast is so easy in that respect -- plenty of old money drives older cars and no one says a damn thing about it. Just keep it well maintained, not looking beat to hell.
In fact, the gardener might be driving a newer car since he's taking advantage of a $69/mo lease on a Kia or some Generic Morons garbazhe, whereas the rich guy's 1990s Mercedes keeps on chugging.
Depend where you'd consider NorCal. If you consider the Valley as SoCal, then we'd gladly see your water and raise you food.
NorCal might get rain, but if it gets too expensive, we can either go east to Colorado or go west and take water from the most abundant source (the ocean).
NorCal might get rain, but if it gets too expensive, we can either go east to Colorado or go west and take water from the most abundant source (the ocean).
AN: Or move into Oregon and annex it by force. Those Birkenstock-wearing, tree-hugging greenies wouldn't put up much of a fight at all. They've got all sorts of good stuff up there: Water, timber and that great Tillamook cheese.
Plus, they all hate Californians anyway. So we could exact revenge for that, too.
Don't be so sure about that -- isn't Portland the crank capital of the USA? Birk-wearing, tree-hugging greenies amped up on speedballs :D
I like the way you think AN and Allan,
But we actually get quite a bit of rain at times, trouble is it all comes at once, what we need is more dams.
In the seventies they were having some success with cloud seeding.
I think I heard California has the most agriculture of any state, so yea bring it.
But we actually get quite a bit of rain at times, trouble is it all comes at once, what we need is more dams.
In the seventies they were having some success with cloud seeding.
I think I heard California has the most agriculture of any state, so yea bring it.
It's not just agriculture. See all the stinky cows while driving up the 99? If NorCal wanna play that war, we can with hold veggie and meat from them. They can charge us for water, but we'll charge them back higher for food. We also have the Sierra. I'm sure we can figure out how to store that snow water.
Don't be so sure about that -- isn't Portland the crank capital of the USA? Birk-wearing, tree-hugging greenies amped up on speedballs :D
We'll just encircle Portland and starve 'em out. Meth heads flame out notoriously quickly.
The rest of those Oregonians are all mellow from the weed and voting Democratic - they'll never see this shit coming.
I don't think NorCal would want to do anything with SoCal. If there's any secession, it would be NorCal breaking away from the rest of CA...I think they wouldn't mind leaving the "lazy, bump, fake booby, bimbo, shallow, BMW-galore,mexico border humping" SoCal to fend for itself... Not to mention it could make a pretty sum of money charging SoCal for water, considering NorCal actually gets rain, and we're a desert down here...
You guys are forgetting the awesome power of the real estate lobby in SoCal. Nobody messes with them. Even if NoCal were to break away, there would be a regime change there in a few months. They have no qualms about destroying the delta up there to get water to SoCal for a few more years.
While on the hijacked topic of secession, don't forget Baja just south of us waiting for gringos to move in. Folks move in, then a war and a march on Mexico city...you how that story goes.
While on the hijacked topic of secession, don't forget Baja just south of us waiting for gringos to move in. Folks move in, then a war and a march on Mexico city...you how that story goes.
DR: "From the halls of Montezuma..." I'm pretty sure we could talk 1st MarDiv into a drive on Mexico City. Yeah, it's been about 160 years since they were last there, but that's gotta be a move NO ONE is gonna see coming.
After Iraq and Afghanistan, this would be like going to Dairy Queen for the jarheads.