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Submitted by Adebisi on November 27, 2009 - 10:34am
The demand for gold is insatiable:
http://www.contracostatimes.com/ci_13869... Got gold?
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This can actually be good I am thinking, not like Oil or housing, it will only affect those with extra money to burn.
Go ahead guys blow this bubble as big as you want.
I see only good here now.
Hey Nor-LA-SD-guy, great call on a dollar rally off the Dubai bankruptcy. The dollar is up 0.23% today. Yippee!
Today's selloff in precious metals is just another opportunity to buy. It's clear that the Fed wants to continue to devalue the dollar, so gold, silver and platinum will continue to go up.
Hasn't the trend lately been when the market is down, the dollar is up? The market factors in dollar fluctuations to an extent.
Today's selloff in precious metals is just another opportunity to buy. It's clear that the Fed wants to continue to devalue the dollar, so gold, silver and platinum will continue to go up.
i doubt it.
The dollar index is right around 75 at the moment. Mark my words, it's going to 60. That means gold will go to 1450 just on dollar devaluation alone. Add in the increased demand for gold and we'll see $2K gold soon enough.
And if China de-pegs? To the moon, baby!
It's not quite accurate to say that the mint has run out of gold. What they've run out of is this year's allocation of gold for minting coins, which is a tiny fraction of US gold reserves. This exact same thing happened last year, and right around this time if I'm not mistaken. At that time I was buying gold coins and ended up buying gold Maple Leafs which were still readily available.
And if China de-pegs? To the moon, baby!
I'm calling bubble on precious metals. Time will tell though. I think what we're seeing in Dubai is just a window into a global financial problem of extreme speculation. I have a feeling once these investments go sour, it's going to spill into asia, and we're going to see a lot a lot of interesting things in terms of the stability of emerging economies.. I would not be surprised that countries in asian heavily leveraged in investing in Dubai, and it will spill over.
The the dollar isn't going to look as bad as folks think it is, in the short term...
I can't fathom in the short/mid term that China could be a world reserve currency. You think things aren't heavily leveraged there? Time will tell, though. And, yes oil is going down.
China won't de-peg until
(1) It can find a replacement the consuming consumerism of americans
(2) The world has accepted it as a reserve currency
Depegging = going for the kill in terms of the the US versus China. The moment that happens, they don't have this "cheap labor/cost" advantage no more. So plan B must already exist before that happens to sustain the growth.
FLU: Anyone hyping China and their supposed economic power is in for a big surprise. China knows full well that if they float the renminbi all hell will break loose.
You're absolutely correct about the cost of labor, too. Factor in nearly critical shortages in experienced management, legal and financial professionals and it gets downright ugly.
The Chinese stimulus program is being used to paper over the systemic and structural problems they're experiencing, as well as a tool to head off potential internal social "dislocation" (caused by increased unemployment).
I won't do any business in China, due to the fact that our IP and proprietary information is at immediate risk, once we start dealing with Chinese companies. I know quite a few companies on the technical and engineering side that feel the same way. I will, however, do business in India and our experiences have been uniformly positive there.
China lies more about their stats then we do. The whole world is in a hand basket.
It must be a pretty good lie, because apparently a good portion of the world is convinced.
What I want to know is when the poor people in China get totally pissed off about the huge gap in prosperity and another unrest happens.
Not running out of gold.. just the gold blanks that the coins are minted out of. Lets see:
Sell 1oz, 22carat gold coin for $1244. Cost of one ounce of 24carat gold metal is $1176 per troy ounce. Cost of gold in 22carat coin is $1176(22/24) = $1078. Result = net income of about $1244/$1078 - 1 = 0.1539 or 15% by just pressing into coin.
I wonder what these will go for. Raw metal goes for $1436.50/oz, which is underpriced against gold when comparing to rarity (about 30 times more rare).
Adebisi, you're wasting your time with this crowd. Let them cling to their flammable pieces of paper and take comfort that gold is going back to $500/oz.
The frog in the pot of slowly-boiling water won't even attempt to jump out until it lacks the energy or strength to do so. But by then it will of course be too late. And so it goes for the vast majority of posters on this board. Attempts to enlighten and educate will only fall on deaf ears. I had once hoped that if enough Americans were armed with the truth then we would be able to resist the brutality that awaits us. But it looks as if the government plan to lull and soothe naive and compliant Americans into a false sense of security is actually working.
As one friend recently told me, anyone who hasn't woken up by now will NOT wake up until the end game is here.
Sadly, poverty awaits most. They will literally be too poor to rebel.
Well, at least I can take comfort in knowing that I tried to enlighten this crowd. Perhaps in the future when the dollar is worthless I will provide the posters here with a few shekels of gold in exchange for their dollars to use as toilet paper.
It must be a pretty good lie, because apparently a good portion of the world is convinced.
What I want to know is when the poor people in China get totally pissed off about the huge gap in prosperity and another unrest happens.
Like I said, the peg stays....
China's too smart to commit financial suicide right now until it has a plan B to replace us...They haven't found one yet...I think what would be a more appropriate approach is similar to a game of monopoly. They start using their cash to buy U.S. assets left and right....
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Chinas-pre...
"NANJING, China (AP) -- Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao says Beijing will keep the value of its currency, the yuan, at a stable and balanced level, shrugging off appeals for faster reforms.
Wen made the comment following a summit Monday with European Union leaders, who are urging China to move more quickly in loosening controls that keep the yuan, also known as the renminbi, linked to the weakening U.S. dollar.
Wen said that "to maintain the basic stability of the rmb exchange rate is conducive to the economy and the recovery of the world economy."
He described as "unfair" demands for changes and accused critics of China's policies as "practicing trade protectionism against developing countries."
They're probably wondering the same thing about us.