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Submitted by jpinpb on May 18, 2008 - 7:01pm
Went to 2828 Deerpark 92110 for the one and only chance to view from 1 to 3. Otherwise, short sale, showing only upon accepted offer. 3/1, 1043 sf, 383 psf, 6,800 sf (slightly downhill slope toward rear end) lot. http://www.sdlookup.com/MLS-086034742-28... I called earlier in the week when it listed. Realtor said they had 2 offers, one at 400k and one slightly over. I was already reluctant to deal w/it. I'm not going to get into a bidding war, real or imaginary by the realtors. I mean, who knows if he really has offers. We were the first there. He said it had been upgraded. As far as I was concerned, it needed to be redone. All of it. Stainless appliances looked very cheap. Same w/cabinets. Carpet and paint worn. The place was not horrible. It was decent. It has potential. Second story will get you a bay view. Back yard is big enough to expand the master bedroom and add a bath. But buy at what price for all this potential and the cost then to do it? Then the realtor proceeds to kill any chance of any interest I would have. "I have seven offers. The highest offer is 450k." I was on my way out there, but he kept talking, so I listened for a while. Always good to get any information and decipher it. Info on owner: Wasn't sure if the original owner is the same. The woman is 95 years old living in assisted living and/or nursing home. Son "fixed" the house up and rented it. Folks - I think today I just saw the first of the baby boomer houses on the market. I expect many more as such to follow, just as was discussed on other boards/threads. It was almost like going to a psychic, them telling you what's going to happen, you think, well, we'll see and then surprise. It happens. This was supposed to be a short sale. Original description has changed to now read, "Please request more information from broker." But the original comment was: "Short sale. Offer accepted pending lender approval. Sale subject to lender approval. Email offers to agent." Of course, as I'm not as stupid as I should be, I checked sources to find out about the place before going there. Foreclosure scheuled 5-27 So is it BS and he has an offer at 450k? Or is he just trying to get as close to the outstanding 460k and get a closed deal quick and have it not be a short sale at all? But all that wasn't shooting in the foot enough. Then he says the next lowest is 599k. Down the street one is 1.2 million. I said good for him that he got an offer of 450k. We can't go that high. I mean, we can. It depends. I just refuse to be a mortgage slave. I saw the 2 units on 3675 Jackdaw too late. It was 500k. Would have gladly even gone a little over for that place. Didn't even have a chance to see it or make an offer. It was listed last Friday and pending on Monday w/10 offers, according to a realtor who was not the typical realtor. She seemed pretty honest. I did some research and in the same block of Jackdaw in 2005 a place sold for 200k more than this one. I digress. Back to Deerpark. We can't go that high. Not in our budget. We'll just wait till we have more money to put down, save some more. Maybe by the end of the year. Well, he then he proceeds to tell me he read a very good article -- yes, any of you informed will already know which article, as before he even said it, I was thinking "Don't even tell me WSJ" -- this guy startS gushing over the WSJ. And sure enough, he went on about how the WSJ said we hit bottom and the bubble is behind us and if we wait, prices will go down but rates will go up, blah, blah, blah. He stopped short of saying, "Now's the time to buy." But I think I cut him short. If I gave him time, he might have said it or might have said if I don't buy now, I never will. But I said it for him. I told him then I'll just never be able to buy and thanks for showing the place. Can't scare me into it. If I have to rent forever, well, then ce la vie. Now. He's got an offer of 450k, supposably. Why is he still trying to sell me? Also, as much as I'd like to be along the coast, I would have still considered the one on Jackdaw. If the place is nice, in a decent area and makes sense, then I'm not going to rule it out. It is all connected. Parts of San Diego compete w/each other and I am proof of that. Maybe there are people that just focus on one part of town for whatever reason, but I think there may be more people looking in more than one area. Anyway, just thought I'd share my Sunday open house experience. Probably the next people checking the place will buy the sales pitch and he'll get an easy close. Hypothetically, I calculated 450k means 90k down. @ 5.76% x 30 years = $2,103 + property tax? 375? + insurance? 100? = grand total monthly payment of $2,578. That's not counting any improvement or upgrading you will surely be incurring every month. |
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Hi jp,
That kitchen looks about as updated as the Brady Bunch house. You're looking in Bay Park as well as pb, huh? Anyway, I have no experience doing full renovations on homes so I'm sitting tight and hoping something close to what I want comes on the market.
A 95-year-old predates baby boomers by over 30 years. She is pre-boomer, pre-ww1, pre-ww2, pre-USSR, and much, much more! Her son or possibly grandchildren are boomers.
Does anyone here actually know any boomers that are retiring/selling their homes?
nostradamus - That's true, that is pre-boomers. Technically baby boomers are now 62 and soon they will be adding to inventory. Probably her son is a boomer, selling her place to take care of her. I don't have numbers on pre-boomers, but the boomers will have to deal w/their parents and that is not discussed.
My parents fall into the category, but house was already sold in divorce. I bought a condo for my mom in a 55 and over community. Father in law already sold his place pre-boom and bought in a 55+ community in Temecula.
EDIT: Got an email from him this morning:
"Looks like were at $456k right now. I'd like to submit an offer with the short sale application package to the bank today. Please get me your best offer this morning if you are still interested. Thank you for your consideration"
After having visited it, do you feel that $456k is overpriced for that home? From the photos it is one of the rare cases when the exterior actually looks better than the interior. IMO it's usually the other way around. Anyway, it's a cute little house.
Did you see this flipper nearby? Asking $615k for an uglier house.
Well, I don't know. Overpriced? In my eyes, I wouldn't do it. But I'm looking for a deal and can wait for the right one. I found out 2768 Deerpark Dr (a few doors down) closed in 2006 for 595k. So this will bring down the comps a little more. The other one was the same size. I think at 350k it would have been a good deal, 400k would have been fair. Any higher for the condition it was in, wasn't worth it to me.
That flipper nearby will have to reconsider his price after this closes.
What's your hurry to buy jp? Those prices are still ridiculously high. I remember looking at Bay Park back in 96 when I was new to the area. The little houses in that neighborhood were going for 150-180K range. By far it was the cheapest "Coastal" real estate at the time. If history is any lesson, it will get pummeled by the current real estate recession.
I know, I know. I see something that looks like might be in pain and I want to check into it, see how hurt they are. But I wasn't going to go for it at that price. I know it's going to have to do better than that for me to jump in. Just means there's a new comp. As nostradamus pointed out, the realtor/owner of 2503 Deerpark trying to flip for 615k when he bought last year for 585k will probably have to reconsider/reduce. Just glad to see the land tsunami inching its way to the coast.
Also, true in '96 you could pick up something for 180k. The '90's were hurting. What would normal appreciation be for 10 years if you take out the supbrime? Okay. Maybe 250-300k. I don't see it falling back to 1996 prices. Of course I would be delighted, but I'd be happy w/just something reasonable and 450k is not to me.
It will be interesting to see if the "open house" realtor really has a buyer.
Further research - This street is going to see more declines. IF 2828 did indeed get sold, it will bring down the comps. 2503 will eventually have to be more realistic if he wants to sell.
BUT, I forgot about 2354 Deerpark Dr, 03/19/2003 $533,000, Scheduled foreclosure 5-2. Don't know what happened to it. Stealth inventory. 2503 better move on the price quick before the bank lists 2354. Surely they'll have to make it lower than 2828 if they want a quick sale.