Skyranch in Santee

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Submitted by sunny88 on March 1, 2009 - 12:43am

The homes at Skyranch in Santee are very "reasonably" priced compared to other new homes in San Diego and there is no Mello Roos. I would like to see if anybody in this forum has bought a home in this development or if anybody has an opinion if they are a good value. Also, will home prices in Santee go up faster than other parts of SD?

Submitted by santeeman on June 16, 2010 - 3:55pm.

I agree completely sdrealtor.

Bearish Gurl sounds to me like she just can't handle someone disagreeing with her. Just arguing to argue.

It's all individual perspective. I for one know it's a better value for me, with the most to offer, the best place to live in my price range.

Submitted by bearishgurl on June 16, 2010 - 5:36pm.

sdrealtor wrote:
bg
She is intelligent, no question about that but that wasnt what I was referring to. She was a longtime poster on this site before being banned.

To clarify, my point was because I dont like the kind of blanket statements you are making about certain communities (just as you did not like the ones about Chula Vista). I'm sure there are some wonderful properties in Santee that would be far preferable to others in Del Cerro. Its simple not accurate to say DC > Santee in every case. Even though neighborhood factors are very important every house stands on its own merits. Most importantly every home is castle to someone. Its all perspective.

sdr, I never minded if other Piggs made blanket statements about Chula. Lots of people unfamiliar with Chula do this. I'm used to all the "Chula-Juana" jokes coming from outside Chula. This is not accurate either but I don't let it bother me. I myself have "issues" with a few of my current neighbors that I have not experienced living in other areas.

I've also heard several comments about how far the commute is from Chula, including from the OP of this thread. I am located exactly ten miles from dtn. SD. That is the same as the Bdwy/College Ave. exit off Hwy 94; Garnet/Balboa exit off I-5; Genessee Exit off 163; Kearny Villa exit off 805 and Waring Rd. off I-8. These posters are obviously equating "Chula Vista" with its recently annexed zip codes of new construction which are 18-26 miles away from dtn. in heavy traffic.

I thought one of the purposes of the Pigg site was to educate each other about areas we are each familiar with. This is HUGE county, after all. I for one have learned a few things here about places I never get to.

Yes, I DO think there are wonderful properties in Santee. As you can see, Santee has a much higher median HH income than that of my own geographically-large zip code (91910). There are so many HH's on fixed incomes in my zip code that even though a RDR pocket (and other census tracts in 91910) have extraordinary HH incomes, it does not raise the median too much.

I'm basing my opinion in the "DC vs. Sky Ranch debate" on the fact that the construction, views, location, convenience and uniform zoning make DC more desireable to more people than Sky Ranch. Both are actually very small communities, "niche" markets, if you will. Because DC is a "resale" market (any lending done there would not be subsidized by a developer), the qualifications to purchase there would shut out more buyers.

Btw, I had a former co-worker in the nineties who had a view home in DC she let get into REALLY BAD SHAPE and also let the weeds grow at least 5' tall in her BY and let her pool go green. I KNOW all the properties are not perfect there.

I totally agree with you that every buyer and homeowner's needs are a little different, i.e. might need space for multiple or commercial vehicles where a mixed-use area with big lots would work the best for them.

Just curious, sdr, do you know why "Schahrzad" was "banned?" And what was her Pigg "screen name?"

Submitted by sdrealtor on June 16, 2010 - 7:03pm.

No problem, just thought you needed to exhale a little. You made some pretty strong statements against Santee and that it WOULD NEVER be Del Cerro which was far superior as though that was a fact rather than an opinion. The facts you provide are important to you not everyone. For example, you consistently refer to how short the commute is from CV to downtown. The truth is a reltively small portion of the population cares about the commute to downtown. Who works downtown besides lawyers and some municipal employees? When piggs refer to a short commute most are referring to the Golden Triangle area which is the real white collar professional employment center in San Diego not downtown.

She was the infamous Powayseller who got overzealous on everyone including Rich. She was a vehement bubble believer but was over the top on the doomsday side. While she was correct about alot like pretty much all of us, she had some very strong/extremist views and ultimately most of that was proven incorrect. She stepped over the line criticizing Rich and that is what I beleive got her banned though there may have been a few other seminal events I'm not aware of. Ironically after battling me for a couple years and questioning my moralty and how could I be a realtor she is now a realtor herself. Last time I checked she wasnt very successful at it.

Submitted by bearishgurl on June 16, 2010 - 9:59pm.

sdrealtor wrote:
. . . The truth is a reltively small portion of the population cares about the commute to downtown. Who works downtown besides lawyers and some municipal employees? When piggs refer to a short commute most are referring to the Golden Triangle area which is the real white collar professional employment center in San Diego not downtown.
(emphasis added)

sdr, 25 years ago this would have been true but not now. Dtn. SD has grown exponentially since then. Besides the City, County and law firms, there are now at least a thousand banking and financial workers, as well as property management firms, commercial RE firms, Navy civilians and airport workers situated dtn. There are also two large shipbuilders less than two miles south of dtn.

I have lawyers as "clients" myself and have worked in "law offices" all my life, including being a county employee which is similar to a municipal employee - LOL! There are many thousands of us in SD. Dtn. and Chula Vista and one yr. in Kearny Mesa are the only places I've ever worked.

I don't know if you are aware of this, sdr, but the blue line trolley (from San Ysidro to Dtn. and reverse) is completely full for nearly two hours every weekday morning and again in the late afternoon, mostly with people who "care" about NOT commuting to dtn but riding the trolley instead :) Don't know about the other routes but know people who ride to/from dtn. every day on other routes.

I know of a few small law firms located in UTC area, but besides "high-tech" in Sorrento Valley, what other kinds of "white collar professional jobs" exist in the "Golden Triangle employment center."

I too, find it interesting that "Powayseller" would now be working in real estate if she's the "Doomsdayer" you say she is.

Submitted by SkyRanchOwner on June 17, 2010 - 1:36am.

I feel confident that Santee is in a current transformation. The city is undergoing GENTRIFICATION.

Just think if it wasn't for the housing boom bust, Fanita Ranch would have been developed, and we wouldn't be just talking about Sky Ranch, Riverwalk, and Mission View homes.

Fanita Ranch:
http://www.lajollacapitalpartners.com/im...

Latest news on Fanita Ranch:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2009/...

This will be built someday!

Here are the many reasons we like Santee:

Santee School District Modernization Project:
http://www.santeesd.net/1438103221618349...

New 52 Extension, under construction:
http://www.sddt.com/files/media/view7.cf...

Santee Lakes:
http://www.santeelakes.com/

Cable Ski Park to be built:
http://www.santeelakescableboardpark.com/

Santee Trolley Town Square Center, home to over 45 nationally recognized retailers anchored by Target, Old Navy, Staples, Bed, Bath
& Beyond, Barnes and Noble Booksellers, PetsMart, TJ Maxx, and 24 Hour Fitness.
http://www.shopsanteetrolleysquare.com/

Also, there is a new Lowes, KOHLS, Costco, Home Depot, Wal-Mart, Olive Garden, Roadhouse Grill, Chili's, Best Buy, and much, much more!

Santee YMCA Aquatic Center
http://www.ci.santee.ca.us/Index.aspx?pa...

New RiverView Corporate Complex:
http://www.riverviewatsantee.com/page.cfm

Santee Trolley - You can take this downtown for Padre games or to Mission Valley/Qualcomm stadium for Charger games.
http://www.sdmts.com/Trolley/Trolley.asp

Santee SportsPlex USA opening soon at the Town Center Community Park near the YMCA:
http://www.sportsplexusa.com/Santee

24 Hour Fitness Sport in the Santee Town Center:
http://www.24hourfitness.com/FindClubDet...

Santee Drive-In Theatre:
http://santeedriveintheatre.com/

Woodglen Vista Skate & BMX Park:
http://www.ci.santee.ca.us/Index.aspx?pa...

The farmer's market held off of Mission Gorge near Magnolia where you can get fresh fruit, vegetables and other items:
http://www.edwinslist.com/shop/san-diego...

Wings Over Gillespie Air Show:
www.wingsovergillespie.org

Bicycle Master Plan for Santee:
ftp://ecity.ci.santee.ca.us/PlanDocs/SNT...

Carlton Oaks Golf Course:
http://www.carltonoaksgolf.com/

Santee Street Fair:
http://santeestreetfair.com/

Santee Video:
http://www.elocallink.tv/clients3/ca/san...

Among the lowest crime rates in San Diego County and some Facts & Figures:
http://www.ci.santee.ca.us/Modules/ShowD...

Santee Real Estate info at Trulia:
http://www.trulia.com/real_estate/Santee...

Santee Overview:
http://www.santeelakes.com/pdfs/SANTEE%2...

Some Other City Documents:

Housing Element:
http://www.ci.santee.ca.us/Modules/ShowD...

Land Use Map:
http://www.ci.santee.ca.us/Modules/ShowD...

Zoning Map:
http://www.ci.santee.ca.us/Modules/ShowD...

Santee General Plan:

Part 1 -
http://www.ci.santee.ca.us/Modules/ShowD...

Part 2 -
http://www.ci.santee.ca.us/Modules/ShowD...

Part 3 -
http://www.ci.santee.ca.us/Modules/ShowD...

Oh, and by the way, it will be only 15 minutes to the beach, via new 52, straight to La Jolla!! :-)

Enjoy!!

Submitted by flu on June 17, 2010 - 6:27am.

SkyRanchOwner wrote:
I feel confident that Santee is in a current transformation. The city is undergoing GENTRIFICATION.

Just think if it wasn't for the housing boom bust, Fanita Ranch would have been developed, and we wouldn't be just talking about Sky Ranch, Riverwalk, and Mission View homes.

Fanita Ranch:
http://www.lajollacapitalpartners.com/im...

Latest news on Fanita Ranch:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2009/...

This will be built someday!

Here are the many reasons we like Santee:

Santee School District Modernization Project:
http://www.santeesd.net/1438103221618349...

New 52 Extension, under construction:
http://www.sddt.com/files/media/view7.cf...

Santee Lakes:
http://www.santeelakes.com/

Cable Ski Park to be built:
http://www.santeelakescableboardpark.com/

Santee Trolley Town Square Center, home to over 45 nationally recognized retailers anchored by Target, Old Navy, Staples, Bed, Bath
& Beyond, Barnes and Noble Booksellers, PetsMart, TJ Maxx, and 24 Hour Fitness.
http://www.shopsanteetrolleysquare.com/

Also, there is a new Lowes, KOHLS, Costco, Home Depot, Wal-Mart, Olive Garden, Roadhouse Grill, Chili's, Best Buy, and much, much more!

Santee YMCA Aquatic Center
http://www.ci.santee.ca.us/Index.aspx?pa...

New RiverView Corporate Complex:
http://www.riverviewatsantee.com/page.cfm

Santee Trolley - You can take this downtown for Padre games or to Mission Valley/Qualcomm stadium for Charger games.
http://www.sdmts.com/Trolley/Trolley.asp

Santee SportsPlex USA opening soon at the Town Center Community Park near the YMCA:
http://www.sportsplexusa.com/Santee

24 Hour Fitness Sport in the Santee Town Center:
http://www.24hourfitness.com/FindClubDet...

Santee Drive-In Theatre:
http://santeedriveintheatre.com/

Woodglen Vista Skate & BMX Park:
http://www.ci.santee.ca.us/Index.aspx?pa...

The farmer's market held off of Mission Gorge near Magnolia where you can get fresh fruit, vegetables and other items:
http://www.edwinslist.com/shop/san-diego...

Wings Over Gillespie Air Show:
www.wingsovergillespie.org

Bicycle Master Plan for Santee:
ftp://ecity.ci.santee.ca.us/PlanDocs/SNT...

Carlton Oaks Golf Course:
http://www.carltonoaksgolf.com/

Santee Street Fair:
http://santeestreetfair.com/

Santee Video:
http://www.elocallink.tv/clients3/ca/san...

Among the lowest crime rates in San Diego County and some Facts & Figures:
http://www.ci.santee.ca.us/Modules/ShowD...

Santee Real Estate info at Trulia:
http://www.trulia.com/real_estate/Santee...

Santee Overview:
http://www.santeelakes.com/pdfs/SANTEE%2...

Some Other City Documents:

Housing Element:
http://www.ci.santee.ca.us/Modules/ShowD...

Land Use Map:
http://www.ci.santee.ca.us/Modules/ShowD...

Zoning Map:
http://www.ci.santee.ca.us/Modules/ShowD...

Santee General Plan:

Part 1 -
http://www.ci.santee.ca.us/Modules/ShowD...

Part 2 -
http://www.ci.santee.ca.us/Modules/ShowD...

Part 3 -
http://www.ci.santee.ca.us/Modules/ShowD...

Oh, and by the way, it will be only 15 minutes to the beach, via new 52, straight to La Jolla!! :-)

Enjoy!!

Mind if I ask how much you paid for your SkyRanch home?

Submitted by sdrealtor on June 17, 2010 - 8:01am.

BG
You proved my point and bolded what I wrote to make it even clearer. The Golden Triangle is the real white collar professional employment center.

I dont disagree downtown has grown and it clearly is the judical center but prop mgment, shipbuilders and airport workers are not white collar professionals.

When I talk about the Golden Triangle area I am also referring to the areas that lie just outside of it within a mile or two as this is the general area people are commuting to. In the Golden triangle area you have:

SAIC
QualComm
UCSD
Sharp Hospital
Children's Hospital
Law Firm's
Stock Brokerages
Scripps Hospital
VA Hospital
Green Hospital
Scripps Institute
Fortune 500 Pharmaceutical companies
Major military contractors (Raytheon etc)
Assorted Biotech/Medical Device/Pharmaceutical companies
Software Companies
Telecomm companies
Consulting firms
Investment Banking

I have missed plenty of others but this group comprises the vast majority of SD Counties largest employers (excluding the military of course).

I'm sure you know plenty of people who ride the trolley because that is your world. Its a bit of confirmation bias but outside of your world lies the most powerful economic engines of SD County.

Submitted by UCGal on June 17, 2010 - 11:00am.

sdrealtor wrote:
BG
You proved my point and bolded what I wrote to make it even clearer. The Golden Triangle is the real white collar professional employment center.

I dont disagree downtown has grown and it clearly is the judical center but prop mgment, shipbuilders and airport workers are not white collar professionals.

When I talk about the Golden Triangle area I am also referring to the areas that lie just outside of it within a mile or two as this is the general area people are commuting to. In the Golden triangle area you have:

SAIC
QualComm
UCSD
Sharp Hospital
Children's Hospital
Law Firm's
Stock Brokerages
Scripps Hospital
VA Hospital
Green Hospital
Scripps Institute
Fortune 500 Pharmaceutical companies
Major military contractors (Raytheon etc)
Assorted Biotech/Medical Device/Pharmaceutical companies
Software Companies
Telecomm companies
Consulting firms
Investment Banking

I have missed plenty of others but this group comprises the vast majority of SD Counties largest employers (excluding the military of course).

I'm sure you know plenty of people who ride the trolley because that is your world. Its a bit of confirmation bias but outside of your world lies the most powerful economic engines of SD County.

I have to agree with sdrealtor here... There are more white collar folks working around UTC, Torrey Pines, sorrento valley and sorrento mesa, than in downtown.

Heck - Qualcomm which is entirely located in the area described above (UTC, torrey pines, sorrento valley) alone probably employs more than the county employees at the county admin building and city workers who work downtown. (vs city/county workers who are outside of downtown.)

Don't believe me - look at the traffic flow. This data is for 2006... but it's the best I could do.

http://sandag.org/resources/demographics...

Looking at traffic near freeway ramps...

La Jolla Village @ town centre - 63.3K cars/week.
Mira Mesa at Vista Sorrento - 78.3K cars/week
Genesee Ave @ Torrey Pines Rd - 47.3K cars/week.
Mira Mesa @ camino Ruiz - 61.5
Miramar @ Eastgate Mall - 66.9

Compared to downtown... I tried to look around freeway ramps:
10th @ A - 21.3K
1st @ Ash - 27.5k
11 @ ash - 20k
G @ 17th - 21.2k
Grape @ Columbia - 31.8k

I think... looking at the data, we can conclude more people commute to work in Sorrento Valley, torrey pines, UTC than commute to work downtown.

A quick look at the numbers... the numbers downtown are lower than the numbers in Kearny Mesa, which are lower than the numbers in Sorrento Valley/Torrey Pines/UTC

Fwiw - the worst traffic spot does appear to be near downtown - the stretch of North Harbor drive from Laurel to Harbor Drive... A whopping 99.2K cars/week. but that's people commuting to the airport, not to downtown.

Submitted by sdrealtor on June 17, 2010 - 11:05am.

To be fair we would want to add all the folks on the trolley but even with that you wouldnt get anywhere close. There are also a fair number of people that take the Coaster to Sorrento Valley and get picke dup by shuttles which negates some of that trolley traffic.

Submitted by santeeman on June 17, 2010 - 11:37am.

"Oh, and by the way, it will be only 15 minutes to the beach, via new 52, straight to La Jolla!! :-)"

It takes a good 10 to 15 minutes or so to get from the Mast on ramp on 52 to the other end near La Jolla. It is not a 15 minute ride directly to the beach. It will take at least another 5 to 10 minutes from Sky Ranch.

Submitted by bearishgurl on June 17, 2010 - 12:39pm.

sdrealtor wrote:
When I talk about the Golden Triangle area I am also referring to the areas that lie just outside of it within a mile or two as this is the general area people are commuting to. In the Golden triangle area you have:

SAIC
QualComm
UCSD
Sharp Hospital
Children's Hospital
Law Firm's
Stock Brokerages
Scripps Hospital
VA Hospital
Green Hospital
Scripps Institute
Fortune 500 Pharmaceutical companies
Major military contractors (Raytheon etc)
Assorted Biotech/Medical Device/Pharmaceutical companies
Software Companies
Telecomm companies
Consulting firms
Investment Banking

sdr, last time I looked Sharp and Childrens were located in the middle of Kearny Mesa, no where near the "Golden Triangle." Raytheon is even further away from the GT in Kearny Mesa and Chula Vista.

sdrealtor wrote:
I'm sure you know plenty of people who ride the trolley because that is your world. Its a bit of confirmation bias but outside of your world lies the most powerful economic engines of SD County.

sdr, the trolley is not "my world." I have been on the trolley during rush hour when my car has been in the shop and been in the vicinity of South Bay trolley stops during rush hr. and met people coming off the blue line at Civic Center many times but I have always driven downtown as I have remote controls to certain garages and paid meter cards.

In my mind, the most "powerful engines" (economic or not) in this state are judges and lawyers. Our six District Courts of Appeal and their respective Divisions along with the CA Supreme court actually make the entire state go 'round (directly and indirectly), believe it or not :)

sdr, you might be shocked at how much some of those so-called "blue-collar" port authority, shipyard workers and commercial property mgrs who work dtn. or near dtn. actually make!

I agree that living near the Golden Triangle is well and good for persons working in the fields of those businesses you mentioned.

Submitted by sdrealtor on June 17, 2010 - 1:12pm.

Dont you read the portions of my posts that you quote. Are you arguing just for the sake of arguing? You arent doing a very good job. It's there in black & white.

"When I talk about the Golden Triangle area I am also referring to the areas that lie just outside of it within a mile or two as this is the general area people are commuting to."

Kearny Mesa is about 2 miles from the intersection of 805 and 52.

I never said riding the trolley was your world. I said "I'm sure you know plenty of people who ride the trolley because that is your world". Do have to make this clearer? I meant many of the people you interact with on a daily basis ride the trolley not you.

Of course, you think lawyers and judges are the econimic engines because once again that is your world!

I know blue collar workers make plenty of money but that was never a point of contention. How they spend money and what they value is very different. That is what makes the differences in how they spend their money. They are far more likely to value desert toys, motorcycles, chargers tickets, and boats than white collar professionals who are more likely to value an upper middle class lifestyle and all that entails (nice house in great school district for kids). Neither is right or wrong. neither is better than the other. they are just different choices people make which seem to be outside of your ability to comprehend. It is what is.

You completely avoided the point which was a list I provided that comprises just about all of SD major employers and all of them are located within spitting distance of the Golden Triangle.

You really like to argue just for the sake of arguing dont you?

Submitted by bearishgurl on June 17, 2010 - 1:44pm.

sdr, we are getting off-topic on this thread and hijacking so this will be my last post here.

sdrealtor wrote:
Kearny Mesa is about 2 miles from the intersection of 805 and 52.

This may be, but Sharp & Children's are located at least six miles and Raytheon eight and 25 mi. from the Golden Triangle.

sdrealtor wrote:
I know blue collar workers make plenty of money but that was never a point of contention. How they spend money and what they value is very different. That is what makes the differences in how they spend their money. They are far more likely to value desert toys, motorcycles, chargers tickets, and boats than white collar professionals who are more likely to value an upper middle class lifestyle and all that entails (nice house in great school district for kids).

I don't think one can categorize a person's values based on their occupations or on whether they are percieved to be "blue-collar" or "white-collar." In addition, I consider a port-authority supvsr/mgr. and property mgr. to be a "white-collar" occupation. Your statement above seems like a very overbroad generalization to me - putting people neatly into boxes.

sdrealtor wrote:
You really like to argue just for the sake of arguing dont you?

Actually, sdr, it now seems like it is YOU who is so set in your beliefs that you cannot fathom that others don't necessarily share all of them.

Submitted by sdrealtor on June 17, 2010 - 1:51pm.

Like talking to a wall. They were generalizations and very clearly stated as such hence the "far more likely" statements not absolute statements like Santee will NEVER BE Del Cerro. I'm open to all beleifs including the possibility that Santee and/or Sky Ranch could be a wonderful place to live.

I'm done....

And for the record Sharp and Children's are nowhere near 6 miles away from the Golden Triangle border of the 52/805 intersection. Look at a map, it wont hurt you.

Submitted by AN on June 17, 2010 - 2:02pm.

sdrealtor wrote:
Like talking to a wall. They were generalizations and very clearly stated as such hence the "far more likely" statements not absolute statements like Santee will NEVER BE Del Cerro. I'm open to all beleifs including the possibility that Santee and/or Sky Ranch could be a wonderful place to live.

I'm done....

And for the record Sharp and Children's are nowhere near 6 miles away from the Golden Triangle border of the 52/805 intersection. Look at a map, it wont hurt you.


Yep, NEVER is a very long time.

Submitted by PKMAN on June 17, 2010 - 2:16pm.

This thread is meant for perspective buyers to learn more about Sky Ranch and Santee. Most of us have biased opinion (myself included) since we're not in the house hunting game and are happy where we are. We should really look from the perspective buyers' point of view.

Sunny88, you're currently living in MM and were looking to buy a home so perhaps we can get some insights from you:

- where did you initially look?
- did you know much about Santee before you started house hunting?
- initially, how high was Santee's communities on your shopping list?
- if you didn't know much about Santee previously, what do you think of it now?
- in your personal opinion, do you feel that Santee is on par, more or less desirable than MM?
- if you're back in the house hunting game, would Santee still be on your list, assuming there are qualified selections here?

Submitted by Aecetia on June 17, 2010 - 2:26pm.

Since flaming politics is not allowed, I see the ardor has been projected into discussions of the relative merits of different neighborhoods.

Submitted by sunny88 on June 17, 2010 - 9:08pm.

PKMAN wrote:
This thread is meant for perspective buyers to learn more about Sky Ranch and Santee. Most of us have biased opinion (myself included) since we're not in the house hunting game and are happy where we are. We should really look from the perspective buyers' point of view.

Sunny88, you're currently living in MM and were looking to buy a home so perhaps we can get some insights from you:

- where did you initially look?
- did you know much about Santee before you started house hunting?
- initially, how high was Santee's communities on your shopping list?
- if you didn't know much about Santee previously, what do you think of it now?
- in your personal opinion, do you feel that Santee is on par, more or less desirable than MM?
- if you're back in the house hunting game, would Santee still be on your list, assuming there are qualified selections here?

We have been looking for a few years in different areas of SD county incl. Scripps Ranch, Carmel Valley and La Jolla. We initially did not look in the East County as it did not appeal to us due to lack of nice neighborhoods and heat in the summer. About 3 years ago we came across the new developments in Santee (Canopy Park and Skyranch). We liked the townhomes at Canopy Park and were considering to make an offer. However, the market started to deteriorate and we could not sell our condo in MM at the price we wanted.
We did not know much about Santee initially but were positively surprised after going there a few times. MM is definitely more convenient but it is not as nice as Santee as most building are older and crime rate has gone up lately.

Submitted by joec on June 18, 2010 - 2:37am.

This is my take on Sky Ranch and Santee in general. We visited all the new Santee communities (Riverwalk, Skyranch) back in mid - late 2008. Some of the plan 3 Stoney Creek Riverwalk places were going for 550k or so then? Sky ranch Crestview was listing for 655k or so back then? I agree that when you get inside your home in Skyranch, it's nice and quiet, but getting there isn't so nice IMO.

On our first visit, we didn't notice the run down strip mall (on mission gorge?), apartments right outside Skyranch, but on a subsequent visit, we just didn't like what we saw getting there. People hanging around street corners and there being a few apartment complexes right outside the slope and checking the sex offender website, a few sex offenders living there as well was a big negative for us.

Another thing I noticed is that they advertise no MR, but when we first visited and about a year later, the HOA actually went up. If someone has old notes from 2008, 2009 and now, the HOA back then was "only" about $150 or so I think.

You also don't get much for your HOA fee we felt and they had to raise the fee to pay for the slope maintenance (useless IMO). When we looked back then, only 2 of the 12 or 13 Crestview homes sold telling us that they were already overpriced and HOA fees had to go up to cover the maintenance (and it did). Maybe it's better now, but advertising no MR and raising HOA left a bad taste in our mouth.

Another thing I've noticed is that Santee seems to be the dumping ground for the rest of San Diego. There is a dump there and I think Santee just lost a San Diego vote to expand the dump site there since it's owned by "San Diego". They are also expanding the jail I think. No one else wants it, let's give it to Mikee, oops, Santee, they'll take all our crap! That's what it sounds like in the news...

On other subsequent visits, we also didn't like the prospective homebuyers there. Economic segregation/discrimination is a great thing and being an older community, there is just too much lower priced housing stock in the area (not to mention the trailer park next to the 52) and the accompanying type of person there. That's not everyone of course, but you get the idea.

I'm also curious how much you paid SRO if you don't mind sharing a price range since when we compared prices back then, we felt there were much better values than Sky Ranch without the negative Santee (east county) stigma (however much there is).

As stated here, I think Crestview is now in the 500-550k range. I think some places in Del Sur offer that price point now (alleyway homes). There are new places in Carlsbad (smaller) there as well I think and with a 30 yr loan and a hundred or 2 more per month, I think most folks would spring for another location if possible. I think the new 4S homes start in the low 600s for one of the new developments.

That said, I just don't think Sky Ranch is a great deal unless you HAVE to have some view (which we didn't care for). In terms of housing resale value, it's always better to be the least expensive house in your general area so you get lifted up by every other house than to be the 600-800k house in Santee when the avg home there is much much lower.

Hope this helps other prospective home shoppers.

Submitted by sdcellar on June 18, 2010 - 8:26am.

sdrealtor wrote:
Like talking to a wall. They were generalizations and very clearly stated as such hence the "far more likely" statements not absolute statements like Santee will NEVER BE Del Cerro. I'm open to all beleifs including the possibility that Santee and/or Sky Ranch could be a wonderful place to live.
sdr, I'm confused. You put forth "this will never be this" all the time. Most of your points are completely valid, but you're as anecdotal as the next guy (as am I). Santee never will be Del Cerro (and I'm not trying to say Del Cerro is all that or Santee sucks). Seems to me you just phrase it differently, e.g. "there is no substitution effect". Maybe it's just a matter of degree?

Submitted by SkyRanchOwner on June 18, 2010 - 8:55am.

I don't want to give out the price I paid, because all the broker/realtors on this site will immediately look it up in the MLS and get the stats, name of owners, etc.

Let's just say we feel we got a decent deal, because prices were marked down from where they were initially, once they figured out the demand and correct price point. In addition, we have a great view! Plus, no one behind us and no one across the street.

I do know prices have continued to go down, even from when we bought. It's just a sign of the times. We plan to be here for several years, so we aren't worried if prices drop another 10% or even 20%.

joec, we thought similar things about the bottom of the hill area as you did, but I knew the plans were to clean it up. We asked, and heard that they were going to clean up and redo the Prospect/Graves intersection, which they just completed a couple months ago. The lots around that intersection are zoned general commercial, so, eventually the "look" of that interesection/area will change too, once they complete the 52.

We're the type that are willing to wait, knowing that 10-20 years from now, these houses will all be in the high $900 or $1 million+ again for Eaglepointe homes once the buildout is complete.

Think back to when the 56, near Carmel Valley, wasn't even built yet, and homes were going up around the area. They were around $600k then, brand new. Now, it's tough to even find one for $600k. Carmel Valley is a different story because of location, yet I think once Sky Ranch sells out, the 52 is complete, and Santee finishes cleaning up the intersections around Prospect/Graves and Prospect/Magnolia, people will feel differently about the area.

Psychologically, people don't like to wait for things to happen. They want it all right now. Do you realize that Bel Etage in RB used to be in the mid $800k, now you can't touch them for less than $1 mill or more. It would be a lot higher if it wasn't for the RE market crash.

Look at the original sales prices for these back in 2001/2002:

http://www.sdlookup.com/MLS-100021399-91...

http://www.sdlookup.com/MLS-090043737-91...

This is before 4S Ranch was built and the 56 was complete. People bought here, one, because it was nice, but two, because they new the area would be eventually developed, helping bring more people into the area, increasing the demand for those homes, thereby, increasing the prices.

Bel Etage was a lonely community that used to be out in nowhere and hard to get in and out of.

Ok, I agree this will be an extreme example, yet why I'm talking about this is because, it is a Case Study on how you need to think of the future and what's to come.

IMO, it's like making an investment in a company. There is risk in this, yet you take all things into consideration, and based on the future plan, think, I believe demand for this area will go up over time. In general, by increasing demand, prices should go up. Remember Apple, the company, at one time, no one wanted to touch that stock either, but, smart investors, seeing the future plan, took a chance, bought the stock, and today, well, you know the story!

Sky Ranch is the nicest, new community in East County! There is no other around, outside of the newer developments down in Santee main land area. It is on a mountain, which is very unique. The trees and foliage will have grown in around the streets up here in Sky Ranch. It will have great, freeway access, when the 52 is complete. It has very nice, convienent shopping and restaurants very close by. The City of Santee is working on updating the schools, city, and more. I only see things getting better, and I see the future of Santee 5 to 10 to 15 years from now. I'm not afraid to wait. It will come, and my house will have more demand for it than most other areas, especially for someone looking to live in East County.

Submitted by sdrealtor on June 18, 2010 - 9:14am.

sdc,
Yes its a matter of degree. I have said time and again while I beleive in the substitution effect I dont beleive it is as strong as many beleive. I rarely say something will never be but I definitely have. For example I bet CAR that we would never see 50% off pricing across the board in my submarket and beleive that. To me it was a suckers bet and so far its looking tlike a very good one. Here are a few others I will NEVER cheer for the Lakers, Celtics, Cowboys, NY Giants, Broncos, Mets or Yankees

BTW, I got back into the stock market a week or so when it was around 9900 with 50% of my retirement portfolio. So far up about 5% on it and already itching to get back out.

Submitted by sdcellar on June 18, 2010 - 9:47am.

I've stayed on the sidelines with the portion I took out, but I think of you every time the market moves significantly. Maybe since you've changed course without looping me in, that will happen less often now!

I've certainly had the itch to get back in at various points, but I can certainly understand your itch to get back out again. The market certainly is an itchy place place, isn't it?

Submitted by Blogstar on June 18, 2010 - 10:16am.

SkyRanchOwner wrote:
I don't want to give out the price I paid, because all the broker/realtors on this site will immediately look it up in the MLS and get the stats, name of owners, etc.

Let's just say we feel we got a decent deal, because prices were marked down from where they were initially, once they figured out the demand and correct price point. In addition, we have a great view! Plus, no one behind us and no one across the street.

I do know prices have continued to go down, even from when we bought. It's just a sign of the times. We plan to be here for several years, so we aren't worried if prices drop another 10% or even 20%.

joec, we thought similar things about the bottom of the hill area as you did, but I knew the plans were to clean it up. We asked, and heard that they were going to clean up and redo the Prospect/Graves intersection, which they just completed a couple months ago. The lots around that intersection are zoned general commercial, so, eventually the "look" of that interesection/area will change too, once they complete the 52.

We're the type that are willing to wait, knowing that 10-20 years from now, these houses will all be in the high $900 or $1 million+ again for Eaglepointe homes once the buildout is complete.

Think back to when the 56, near Carmel Valley, wasn't even built yet, and homes were going up around the area. They were around $600k then, brand new. Now, it's tough to even find one for $600k. Carmel Valley is a different story because of location, yet I think once Sky Ranch sells out, the 52 is complete, and Santee finishes cleaning up the intersections around Prospect/Graves and Prospect/Magnolia, people will feel differently about the area.

Psychologically, people don't like to wait for things to happen. They want it all right now. Do you realize that Bel Etage in RB used to be in the mid $800k, now you can't touch them for less than $1 mill or more. It would be a lot higher if it wasn't for the RE market crash.

Look at the original sales prices for these back in 2001/2002:

http://www.sdlookup.com/MLS-100021399-91...

http://www.sdlookup.com/MLS-090043737-91...

This is before 4S Ranch was built and the 56 was complete. People bought here, one, because it was nice, but two, because they new the area would be eventually developed, helping bring more people into the area, increasing the demand for those homes, thereby, increasing the prices.

Bel Etage was a lonely community that used to be out in nowhere and hard to get in and out of.

Ok, I agree this will be an extreme example, yet why I'm talking about this is because, it is a Case Study on how you need to think of the future and what's to come.

IMO, it's like making an investment in a company. There is risk in this, yet you take all things into consideration, and based on the future plan, think, I believe demand for this area will go up over time. In general, by increasing demand, prices should go up. Remember Apple, the company, at one time, no one wanted to touch that stock either, but, smart investors, seeing the future plan, took a chance, bought the stock, and today, well, you know the story!

Sky Ranch is the nicest, new community in East County! There is no other around, outside of the newer developments down in Santee main land area. It is on a mountain, which is very unique. The trees and foliage will have grown in around the streets up here in Sky Ranch. It will have great, freeway access, when the 52 is complete. It has very nice, convienent shopping and restaurants very close by. The City of Santee is working on updating the schools, city, and more. I only see things getting better, and I see the future of Santee 5 to 10 to 15 years from now. I'm not afraid to wait. It will come, and my house will have more demand for it than most other areas, especially for someone looking to live in East County.

Of course you are biased, whether you are in sales or not, but that was a very reasonable and well made post. I am not saying your deal will ever be amazing but the degree you address opposite bias, or perhaps "buyer's objections", is perfect. For the naysayers, it would be easy to say that everyone gets shortchanged on some things in CV for the simple matter that "everyone wants to live there". Like shooting fish in a barrel. It could be considered from this subjective point of view that many are over paying even if the purchase stays in the black on paper.

It's very wise of you not to give your information for the exact reason stated.

Submitted by sdcellar on June 18, 2010 - 10:42am.

SkyRanchOwner wrote:
I only see things getting better, and I see the future of Santee 5 to 10 to 15 years from now. I'm not afraid to wait. It will come, and my house will have more demand for it than most other areas, especially for someone looking to live in East County.
As long as you won't be too disappointed if the Santee of the future looks pretty much like the Santee of today plus a longer stretch of 52, you'll be fine.

I also wouldn't count on your house having more demand than most anywhere else. If you can live with that, then you're golden.

Submitted by sdcellar on June 18, 2010 - 10:57am.

Russell, I'd think think it would be sellers that address "buyer's objections". A shrewd seller would never let truth or facts get in the way. I'm also sure you're familiar with "sins of omission"?

Just remember that people can lie to themselves just as easily as any salesperson can. These are called rationalizations.

I'm not saying people shouldn't hope for a better tomorrow and all that, but they should go in with their eyes wide open.

I appreciate that it's nice for people to feel good about their choices, but at some point...

Submitted by Blogstar on June 18, 2010 - 11:20am.

sdcellar wrote:
Russell, I'd think think it would be sellers that address "buyer's objections". A shrewd seller would never let truth or facts get in the way. I'm also sure you're familiar with "sins of omission"?

Just remember that people can lie to themselves just as easily as any salesperson can. These are called rationalizations.

I'm not saying people shouldn't hope for a better tomorrow and all that, but they should go in with their eyes wide open.

I appreciate that it's nice for people to feel good about their choices, but at some point...

I could be wrong but I think SRO has been accused of being in sales on this thread? Sales people, as you know, do often times exert themselves to overcome "buyer's objections". I was just addressing that hypothetical situation. Maybe SRO craves having piggs for neighbors, and who can blame him. He could trying to overcome potential "buyer's objections" w/o actually sinning?

As far as feeling good about one's choices...nobody really knows why they do for sure... if they can afford it,and maybe even if they can't, pushing on them might be, to use one of flu's favorites, "sour grapes".

Submitted by Blogstar on June 18, 2010 - 11:28am.

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Submitted by natty on June 18, 2010 - 11:24am.

sdrealtor wrote:

And for the record Sharp and Children's are nowhere near 6 miles away from the Golden Triangle border of the 52/805 intersection. Look at a map, it wont hurt you.

Not that it matters, but if you truly want to be(more) specific:

the center point of 52/805 to children's hospital is roughly 3.7 miles, using latitude/longitude & my calculations. So add to that roughly 1 mile to allow for driving.

Submitted by joec on June 18, 2010 - 11:45am.

Thanks for your long reply SRO. I think for me and my family, we certainly didn't want to wait 10, 15 or even 5 years because number 1: we were buying to live now and the home was never an investment. Life can also change so even though we all plan to be somewhere for 10-20 years, you never know.

We wanted to enjoy our area, feel safe outside walking about, have good schools and maybe the upside isn't as high in other areas, but I still think when/if the market moves back up, pretty much all the other areas discussed here will have better appreciation due to more limited supply (#1) and greater desirability to be closer to the employment centers. I think in general, most home buyers would prefer to live in a smaller house in a nicer area compared to a big house in a not as nice area. That was our thinking at least. Location location location right?

I agree that the city of Santee is trying very hard to improve the image and clean it up a lot. This was also our reasons for trying to find a new home there and we were extremely close to pulling the trigger on Riverwalk/Stoney Creek. Looking at prices back in Feb 2008, Plan 3 (2600 sqft) was going for 565k. Crestview was going for 595k - 690k in April 2008 with most closer to 610k or so. I think that's off 75-100k now for Crestview...Still, at 500k, I think I'd rather pay lower HOA fees and move to Del Sur if I had to have a new home or some of the new smaller places in Carlsbad for 500-600k.

I understand not wanting to say what you paid, but any range of everything that closed around that time is ok with me (and I don't want to bother looking it up) since I think for the same amount, we'd probably look elsewhere.

I suppose in end, it really just boils down to what's important to you and a view is worth $0 to us so that's why we didn't go for Sky Ranch. :)

Hope this helps other folks in the same house hunting even though it seems like a lot of Pigg members have bought in the past 2 years. I know I don't visit as much as I used to myself!

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