Skyranch in Santee

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Submitted by sunny88 on March 1, 2009 - 12:43am

The homes at Skyranch in Santee are very "reasonably" priced compared to other new homes in San Diego and there is no Mello Roos. I would like to see if anybody in this forum has bought a home in this development or if anybody has an opinion if they are a good value. Also, will home prices in Santee go up faster than other parts of SD?

Submitted by sunny88 on March 4, 2009 - 11:42pm.

How does Santee compare to other places in the East county?

Submitted by paranoid on March 5, 2009 - 1:01am.

sunny88 wrote:
will home prices in Santee go up faster than other parts of SD?

yes, it will go up 10 times faster.
are you insane? (due to the temperatur)

Submitted by evolusd on March 5, 2009 - 8:38am.

Last time I was there, Skyranch did have mello roos. I'd double-check that one.

Submitted by sunny88 on March 5, 2009 - 12:28pm.

I just checked and they do not have MR but the HOA fees are high (over $300/month).
How do people feel about living so close to the airport?

Submitted by flu on March 5, 2009 - 12:40pm.

sunny88 wrote:
I just checked and they do not have MR but the HOA fees are high (over $300/month).
How do people feel about living so close to the airport?

...As long as you don't move there and then a few months/years later complain on this board that it's too loud and petition the airport to have a curfew no fly zone. Think about the airport for a very very very very very long time before you make your final decision....

( Sorry, inside joke :
http://piggington.com/impact_of_palomar_...)

Submitted by Operation on March 5, 2009 - 7:14pm.

My wife and I came very close to buying at Skyranch. The Crestview section in particular.

There were pros and cons for us and in the final analysis, we determined it wasn't the best fit. We liked the views, the homes and the central location. We liked the fact that the 125, upon completion, would make the commute to La Jolla and other central areas fairly easy. However, the lots were small and the HOAs were outrageous. They have packed in the mello roos into the HOA and at $323/month it was just too much to swallow.

The airport issue there is a non-issue. You can hardly tell it's near an approach. All I ever saw were prop airplanes landing and they were too far to be noisy.

Worse, dealing with Lennar was a pain. One of the saleswomen was NASTY mean when we first started showing serious interest. They eventually brought in a few more professionals but nonetheless, it left a bad taste in our mouth.

I also wouldn't count on Santee showing appreciation at a higher rate than anywhere else.

Submitted by recordsclerk on March 5, 2009 - 9:04pm.

Skyranch is nice. The price is OK. They were ahead of the price curve for a while, but other areas are showing more movement. I like the views, but not the location. Schools are not that good and HOA is too high. No Mello-roos is nice. There is only one tot-lot and no other amenities. The air planes didn't bother me, but you might want to consider the danger of a plane crash.

Submitted by sunny88 on March 5, 2009 - 10:27pm.

Operation wrote:
My wife and I came very close to buying at Skyranch. The Crestview section in particular.

There were pros and cons for us and in the final analysis, we determined it wasn't the best fit. We liked the views, the homes and the central location. We liked the fact that the 125, upon completion, would make the commute to La Jolla and other central areas fairly easy. However, the lots were small and the HOAs were outrageous. They have packed in the mello roos into the HOA and at $323/month it was just too much to swallow.

The airport issue there is a non-issue. You can hardly tell it's near an approach. All I ever saw were prop airplanes landing and they were too far to be noisy.

Worse, dealing with Lennar was a pain. One of the saleswomen was NASTY mean when we first started showing serious interest. They eventually brought in a few more professionals but nonetheless, it left a bad taste in our mouth.

I also wouldn't count on Santee showing appreciation at a higher rate than anywhere else.

We completely agree with you. The HOA is an absolute ripoff! We liked the models at "Eaglepointe", especially models 1 and 2. However, we heard that the schools are subpar and that was one of the main reasons we are looking elsewhere now.

Submitted by sunny88 on March 5, 2009 - 10:29pm.

The prices were ok for a while but in the current market they should come down another 10% to be competitive.

Submitted by PKMAN on March 6, 2009 - 12:54pm.

We also looked at Skyranch but never gave it a serious thought due to:

HOA was a big factor and I understand that it's not tax-deductible. I'd rather have MR + low HOA for at least MR is tax-deductible.

Skyranch didn't have mid-tier homes to choose. It start at sub-$400K townhouses to $600K+ houses (the least expensive Crestview homes were above $600K when I looked at them about a year ago) and nothing in between.

But the biggest gripe I had was the steep climb to the community. This would be very bad for the car, as it would worsen the gas mileage, wear out brake pad and tire tread much faster and make the engine work much harder and it normally would.

So I ended up buying in the Riverwalk community, north of the Trolley Center. Its townhouses are much nicer (and bigger for about the same price range) than Skyranch's and it has the right mid-tier house that's ideal for me. Low HOA and no MR!!!

Submitted by SDEngineer on March 6, 2009 - 1:14pm.

PKMAN wrote:
We also looked at Skyranch but never gave it a serious thought due to:

HOA was a big factor and I understand that it's not tax-deductible. I'd rather have MR + low HOA for at least MR is tax-deductible.

Skyranch didn't have mid-tier homes to choose. It start at sub-$400K townhouses to $600K+ houses (the least expensive Crestview homes were above $600K when I looked at them about a year ago) and nothing in between.

But the biggest gripe I had was the steep climb to the community. This would be very bad for the car, as it would worsen the gas mileage, wear out brake pad and tire tread much faster and make the engine work much harder and it normally would.

So I ended up buying in the Riverwalk community, north of the Trolley Center. Its townhouses are much nicer (and bigger for about the same price range) than Skyranch's and it has the right mid-tier house that's ideal for me. Low HOA and no MR!!!

Actually, although many people do wind up deducting Mello-Roos (mistakenly), they are NOT tax deductible in most cases, and if you get audited, you may be required to repay that deduction with penalties. They aren't considered the same as your normal real estate taxes.

Here's the FTB (Franchise Tax Board for CA) official word on Mello-Roos taxes:

http://www.ftb.ca.gov/individuals/faq/ne...

Submitted by Eugene on March 6, 2009 - 1:34pm.

Quote:
and if you get audited, you may be required to repay that deduction with penalties.

As far as I recall, your chances of getting a face-to-face audit on any given tax return are around 1.5%, lower if you don't claim EIC. Also, even if it happens, you're likely to be grilled about some specific item in your return, not everything.

If it does not set off automated alarms in IRS, the chances of it being detected are slim.

One day IRS will coordinate with the state franchise board and it will start getting automated reports of property taxes, with breakdown into tax deductible and non-tax deductible parts. When that happens, 100% of tax returns that deduct mello-roos will start getting responses with corrections.

Submitted by sunny88 on March 7, 2009 - 7:55pm.

SDEngineer wrote:
PKMAN wrote:
We also looked at Skyranch but never gave it a serious thought due to:

HOA was a big factor and I understand that it's not tax-deductible. I'd rather have MR + low HOA for at least MR is tax-deductible.

Skyranch didn't have mid-tier homes to choose. It start at sub-$400K townhouses to $600K+ houses (the least expensive Crestview homes were above $600K when I looked at them about a year ago) and nothing in between.

But the biggest gripe I had was the steep climb to the community. This would be very bad for the car, as it would worsen the gas mileage, wear out brake pad and tire tread much faster and make the engine work much harder and it normally would.

So I ended up buying in the Riverwalk community, north of the Trolley Center. Its townhouses are much nicer (and bigger for about the same price range) than Skyranch's and it has the right mid-tier house that's ideal for me. Low HOA and no MR!!!

Actually, although many people do wind up deducting Mello-Roos (mistakenly), they are NOT tax deductible in most cases, and if you get audited, you may be required to repay that deduction with penalties. They aren't considered the same as your normal real estate taxes.

Here's the FTB (Franchise Tax Board for CA) official word on Mello-Roos taxes:

http://www.ftb.ca.gov/individuals/faq/ne...

Nothing comes for free, I guess if you are crazy about a nice view from the top of the mountain wearing out your car prematurely may not bother you too much. One of the turn-offs to us was driving by the ugly apartment complexes before you get on the freeway.

Submitted by sunny88 on March 8, 2009 - 12:41pm.

Despite the very slow market the prices have not come down much over the last 3 months in this development. Lennar must be thinking that buyers will come soon.

Submitted by sunny88 on September 13, 2009 - 3:51pm.

Lennar has dropped the prices lately at Skyranch. It looks like they are not able to sell these previously overpriced homes.

Submitted by kcal09 on October 17, 2009 - 11:17am.

Lennar is aggressively marketing the remaining homes at Skyranch now and have lowered the prices even further. I am just wondering if buyers still think that the homes are overpriced.

Submitted by jameswenn on October 17, 2009 - 11:19pm.

kcal09 wrote:
Lennar is aggressively marketing the remaining homes at Skyranch now and have lowered the prices even further. I am just wondering if buyers still think that the homes are overpriced.

What are the new prices?

Submitted by santeelen on February 19, 2010 - 8:23pm.

Lennar's Sky Ranch:

Prospective buyers need to read the fine print when looking at this development.

Property tax rate for this development is 1.6% vs 1.1% just down the hill in Santee proper. This must be how they get around the "no mello-roos" statement. Do the math.

Outrageous HOA's dues of over $325 (maintenance only, no pool or club house) and keeping the starting prices at least 20% more than they should be in today's market will keep this subdivision a ghost town for quite some time.

Nice view,semi-secluded and good location are pluses...no community pool, a tiny park, freeway noise from every location and the prohibitive extra cost to enjoy the view are negatives that will keep most buyers from calling Sky Ranch home.

Submitted by SkyRanchOwner on February 27, 2010 - 10:49pm.

Just to make a few comments...

I own in Sky Ranch, and we love it!!! Everyone I talk to in this community is extremely happy with Sky Ranch.

I think a few of you need to talk to the people who actually live here!

Lennar has done an excellent job with these homes and the community! It's just awesome up hear. At first we were hesitant too. Asking questions about living out East (We came from RB), access to schooling, pools, restaurants, shopping, etc. After all our research, we chose to buy, and have been extremely happy! You can't go wrong buying from Lennar in Sky Ranch.

Santee has a whole new restaurant/shop area with the Santee Trolley Square Town Center (Olive Garden, Chilis, Target, Barnes & Noble, Bed, Bath, & Beyond, etc.) Also, the YMCA has a great kids pool, so no need for a rec. center / pool in Sky Ranch. The Y is great for the kids, and they love the kid slide/play pool area. The Y also has many programs for kids. Also, there is a new Community/Rec Park Center near the YMCA that has numerous soccer fields, baseball fields, outdoor hockey arenas, etc. There is a BestBuy in town that is great for the Dads, and Santee has a fun drive-in that the kids love too.

For schools, most of the people that I have talked to in Sky Ranch send their kids to private schools, yet some go to public schools or homeschool. There are numerous Catholic and Christian schools around SkyRanch, that are all very good and are minutes away from SkyRanch.

For major home/grocery shopping, Santee has a great Costco, new Vons, and new Henry's.

Also, you should see what they are doing with the I52! It's going to be finished at the end of this year, and it will extend the 52 to the 67. One can now get to Sorrento Valley in approximatley 20 minutes or less. It takes us now only 25 minutes to get to Sorrento Valley, and that's without the 52 being completed. The beach is just 25 minutes too, straight to La Jolla. This is a massive construction project. You'll also notice that they just started cleaning up the intersection between Graves and Prospect, and they are redesigning the intersection. They will repave and place in street lights. This will look much better than it has in the past.

It's very quiet up here, almost serene. Some of the homes that are facing West towards the airport have a little more noise, but everyone says it's no big deal because you live so high up on the mountain.

Noise from the airport is minimal. Yes, you have planes that do fly over, but we have kids and they actually enjoy seeing the planes. This is a small local airport, so the planes are small Piper planes most of the time. Once in a while there is a corporate jet, but nothing to shake the ground or shatter the windows as people may be afraid of. Gillespie will also hold airshows once in a while, which is a great treat to watch because the planes fly over the mountain. You can also see them do their tricks and acrobatic work, like you were right in the clouds with them. Our kids love this when the airshow is going. The windows in the homes are double paned windows, so when closed, you don't hear a peep. Even when they are open, it's still serene! After moving in, we were very suprised how quiet it is up here.

Furthermore, this time of the year, Winter/Spring, the clouds/fog moves in through the valley below (Santee / El Cajon), and it's like you are living above the clouds. You see Sky Ranch coming up above the clouds! Beautiful!!!

If your home faces the East you will see great sunrises, and if your home faces the West you will see great sunsets. Most homes have a great view around all sides, depending on where your windows are facing.

I just went over to the Lennar office, and they just released a new Crestview phase with prices starting at $499k up to around the mid $500K. These are about 2400sf to 3200sf. Eaglepoint, at the top of the mountain, has homes around $800k. These are around 4000sf. They have new phases in the NorthStar condos, as you come up the hill, starting around $300k with garages with 1300sf to 1900sf. StoneRidge is sold out for now.

Our tax rate is 1.1%, there is no mello-roos, and the HOA is subsidized at $342 until complete buildout. It may go up after complete buildout, which will still take another 3 years at the current build rate. The HOA is looking at trying to reduce these costs once buildout is completed.

Lennar's customer service has been great too, after we bought. They warranty the house, and they will fix anything that pops up.

So, if you are looking at buying up here, I would highly consider it! It's a great place to live, and all the owners up here feel it's a special place. Our little gem in the Sky.

Plus, your house is BRAND NEW!!!

Submitted by kcal09 on February 27, 2010 - 11:37pm.

SkyRanchOwner wrote:
Just to make a few comments...

I own in Sky Ranch, and we love it!!! Everyone I talk to in this community is extremely happy with Sky Ranch.

I think a few of you need to talk to the people who actually live here!

Lennar has done an excellent job with these homes and the community! It's just awesome up hear. At first we were hesitant too. Asking questions about living out East (We came from RB), access to schooling, pools, restaurants, shopping, etc. After all our research, we chose to buy, and have been extremely happy! You can't go wrong buying from Lennar in Sky Ranch.

Santee has a whole new restaurant/shop area with the Santee Trolley Square Town Center (Olive Garden, Chilis, Target, Barnes & Noble, Bed, Bath, & Beyond, etc.) Also, the YMCA has a great kids pool, so no need for a rec. center / pool in Sky Ranch. The Y is great for the kids, and they love the kid slide/play pool area. The Y also has many programs for kids. Also, there is a new Community/Rec Park Center near the YMCA that has numerous soccer fields, baseball fields, outdoor hockey arenas, etc. There is a BestBuy in town that is great for the Dads, and Santee has a fun drive-in that the kids love too.

For schools, most of the people that I have talked to in Sky Ranch send their kids to private schools, yet some go to public schools or homeschool. There are numerous Catholic and Christian schools around SkyRanch, that are all very good and are minutes away from SkyRanch.

For major home/grocery shopping, Santee has a great Costco, new Vons, and new Henry's.

Also, you should see what they are doing with the I52! It's going to be finished at the end of this year, and it will extend the 52 to the 67. One can now get to Sorrento Valley in approximatley 20 minutes or less. It takes us now only 25 minutes to get to Sorrento Valley, and that's without the 52 being completed. The beach is just 25 minutes too, straight to La Jolla. This is a massive construction project. You'll also notice that they just started cleaning up the intersection between Graves and Prospect, and they are redesigning the intersection. They will repave and place in street lights. This will look much better than it has in the past.

It's very quiet up here, almost serene. Some of the homes that are facing West towards the airport have a little more noise, but everyone says it's no big deal because you live so high up on the mountain.

Noise from the airport is minimal. Yes, you have planes that do fly over, but we have kids and they actually enjoy seeing the planes. This is a small local airport, so the planes are small Piper planes most of the time. Once in a while there is a corporate jet, but nothing to shake the ground or shatter the windows as people may be afraid of. Gillespie will also hold airshows once in a while, which is a great treat to watch because the planes fly over the mountain. You can also see them do their tricks and acrobatic work, like you were right in the clouds with them. Our kids love this when the airshow is going. The windows in the homes are double paned windows, so when closed, you don't hear a peep. Even when they are open, it's still serene! After moving in, we were very suprised how quiet it is up here.

Furthermore, this time of the year, Winter/Spring, the clouds/fog moves in through the valley below (Santee / El Cajon), and it's like you are living above the clouds. You see Sky Ranch coming up above the clouds! Beautiful!!!

If your home faces the East you will see great sunrises, and if your home faces the West you will see great sunsets. Most homes have a great view around all sides, depending on where your windows are facing.

I just went over to the Lennar office, and they just released a new Crestview phase with prices starting at $499k up to around the mid $500K. These are about 2400sf to 3200sf. Eaglepoint, at the top of the mountain, has homes around $800k. These are around 4000sf. They have new phases in the NorthStar condos, as you come up the hill, starting around $300k with garages with 1300sf to 1900sf. StoneRidge is sold out for now.

Our tax rate is 1.1%, there is no mello-roos, and the HOA is subsidized at $342 until complete buildout. It may go up after complete buildout, which will still take another 3 years at the current build rate. The HOA is looking at trying to reduce these costs once buildout is completed.

Lennar's customer service has been great too, after we bought. They warranty the house, and they will fix anything that pops up.

So, if you are looking at buying up here, I would highly consider it! It's a great place to live, and all the owners up here feel it's a special place. Our little gem in the Sky.

Plus, your house is BRAND NEW!!!

Santee had a bad reputation about 20 years ago but turned around in the last few years. New developments have been built. One of them is "Canopy Park". I believe that Santee will become more attractive and homes will appreciate more than the average in SD county.

Submitted by SkyRanchOwner on February 28, 2010 - 11:35am.

Here are a few links for you:

http://www.lennar.com/New-Homes/Californ... - Lennar Info

http://www.skyranchliving.com/

http://www.ci.santee.ca.us/ - City of Santee

Also, some people think it's very hot out East, which it can be, but since your on a Rattlesnake mountain in SkyRanch, the winds kept it very nice. We were suprised last summer at how nice it was up here.

Santee Lakes is a fun place to take the kids for a stroll and feed the ducks. Plus, Santee just approved to put in the very first water ski, cable park at Lake 1 in Santee Lakes. This will be great for the kids!

Santee Lakes:
http://www.santeelakes.com/

"The Santee City Council approved Padre Dam’s plan in October for a cable ski park, where a cable would pull wakeboarders on the southernmost lake. The council voted 3-2, despite complaints from neighbors that it would bring traffic and noise. Carlisle said plans for the cable ski park are moving forward and developer Sudweeks Construction hopes to open it next year."

http://www.santeelakescableboardpark.com/

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/...

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2009/...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UMRMtNu2xE

Santee Trolley Town Square Center
http://www.shopsanteetrolleysquare.com/

Santee YMCA Aquatic Center
http://www.ci.santee.ca.us/Index.aspx?pa...

Keep San Diego Moving - I52 Info:
http://www.keepsandiegomoving.com/SR52-i...

State Route 52 Fact Sheet:
http://www.keepsandiegomoving.com/CW_Ima...

New RiverView Corporate Complex:
http://www.riverviewatsantee.com/page.cfm

Christian Schools - Santee Area:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1...

Catholic Schools - Santee Area:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1...

Santee Trolley - You can take this downtown for Padre games or to Mission Valley/Qualcomm stadium for Charger games.
http://www.sdmts.com/Trolley/Trolley.asp

I hope this info helps anyone considering SkyRanch in Santee.

Feel free to ask me any questions about the area, and I will try and help.

Submitted by Aecetia on February 28, 2010 - 12:55pm.

I live in an association and the monthly dues were supposed to come down after the build out was complete and that never happened. It has consistently been raised. I would not expect the dues to decrease and unless you can get it in writing, I would not believe that sales pitch. I am sure it is a nice place to live and for the most part associations serve a valuable purpose.

Submitted by Hobie on February 28, 2010 - 1:27pm.

I heard the same sales pitch in a different development. "Assessments will go down in a couple of years after the reserves have accumulated." Didn't happen. CC&R's state up to 2% increase without voting. And that's just what they did. Gotta watch the management company and the vendors.

Since there is no pool, I'm guessing the $300/mo is for landscaping ( private roads?). This never goes down in cost. As the plants mature, it takes more man hours to maintain. Not to mention the increasing cost of water.

Submitted by sdrealtor on February 28, 2010 - 1:46pm.

I heard the same pitch when I bought my house. The assessments came down at build out. Since then have increased less than $20/month over the last 7 years and more often than not they havent changed from year to year. It all depends.

Submitted by SkyRanchOwner on February 28, 2010 - 11:13pm.

Some more links for you:

Santee SportsPlex USA opening soon at the Town Center Community Park near the YMCA:
http://www.sportsplexusa.com/Santee

24 Hour Fitness Sport in the Santee Town Center:
http://www.24hourfitness.com/FindClubDet...

Santee Drive-In Theatre:
http://santeedriveintheatre.com/

Woodglen Vista Skate & BMX Park:
http://www.ci.santee.ca.us/Index.aspx?pa...

Santee Video:
http://www.elocallink.tv/clients3/ca/san...

Among the lowest crime rates in San Diego County and some Facts & Figures:
http://www.ci.santee.ca.us/Modules/ShowD...

Santee Real Estate info at Trulia:
http://www.trulia.com/real_estate/Santee...

Santee has done a lot over the last several years to update the town, and I expect to see more over the next several years.

As a side note, I drove by both sales offices, Eaglepoint/Crestview and Northstar condos, and they looked busy...

I also heard the condos are selling like hot cakes because of the lower prices! FYI - the condos do have their own pool and club house.

Submitted by flu on February 28, 2010 - 11:33pm.

Not sure why this area or any area in particular would see appreciation when other areas are still showing decline. I'm sure the neighborhood is fine. But appreciation? Seems kinda of a large stretch to me.

Also, does seem interesting that when Santee comes up, there's always an effort to try to sell Santee as being an up and coming. Why is that? No respect for the area or something?

Submitted by kcal09 on March 1, 2010 - 1:17pm.

I think a lot has to do with finding an affordable place to live in SD county. A lot of people are looking for an affordable place in a safe and "reasonable" neighborhood. Santee comes to mind if you look for a town that is improving. When you drive along Mission Gorge Rd. you can notice how Santee is growing into a nice town with many new stores and restaurants.

Submitted by justsayin1964 on March 1, 2010 - 5:28pm.

Sky Ranch is way over priced even today. They were going for like 1 mil when they started them. Thats crazy. Yes they were nice inside- and had a great view, but not 1 mil nice, and now not 600k nice either. Keep in mind that nothing is with in walking distance- unless you consider rugged mountain climbs a nice walk. This means you drive everywhere- to schools, to the store and I hope your kids have friends there or you'll be driving all over for that too. The access just isn't worth it.
I live in santee and see the pricing continue to decline, its not a bad place to live but consider other areas in santee you'll be happier.

Submitted by kcal09 on March 2, 2010 - 4:55pm.

The problem with living elsewhere is that the prices are still higher compared to Santee for the same type of house. Also, where can you find new homes in SD county in the $600k range?

Submitted by Eugene on March 2, 2010 - 5:08pm.

kcal09 wrote:
Also, where can you find new homes in SD county in the $600k range?

In Chula Vista...

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