Signal for recovery in housing & the economy in general

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Submitted by moneymaker on July 7, 2012 - 8:50am

I've long held the belief that if buying property with a mortgage one should buy before bottom, and if buying cash one should buy post bottom.Now no one can time it perfectly but if the aggregate numbers are looked at then I believe on average this will occur thanks to free market forces. So when cash buyers peak I believe we will finally be in recovery mode. Is there any graph/numbers out there that show percentage/actual numbers of cash buyers?

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It happened Feb 2012. "Buyers
Submitted by carlsbadworker on July 7, 2012 - 9:05am.

It happened Feb 2012.

"Buyers paying with cash accounted for 31.3 percent of May home sales, down from 32.2 percent the month before and up from 29.2 percent a year earlier. Cash purchases peaked at 33.7 percent of all sales this February, and since 2000 the monthly average is about 15 percent."

http://www.dqnews.com/Articles/2012/News...

Couldn't that just be
Submitted by squat300 on July 7, 2012 - 10:27am.

Couldn't that just be signalling people are sick desperate and vomitorious over low bank interest rates?

squat250 wrote:Couldn't that
Submitted by flu on July 7, 2012 - 11:40am.

squat250 wrote:
Couldn't that just be signalling people are sick desperate and vomitorious over low bank interest rates?

yes and yes

Yeah we're in recovery.
Submitted by moneymaker on July 7, 2012 - 3:24pm.

Yeah we're in recovery. Should somebody tell Mitt or Obama? Time to reinvest in the market.

We MAY be in recovery. But
Submitted by spdrun on July 7, 2012 - 3:50pm.

We MAY be in recovery. But as long as you can get the cap rate you want from a property/have it cash-flow decently or break even after mortgage, who gives a rodent's bee-hind about recovery status.

De-rate the rent by 20-25% to account for vacancy and future decreases (rent right now may be a Bubble) of course.

flu wrote:squat250
Submitted by CA renter on July 8, 2012 - 3:03am.

flu wrote:
squat250 wrote:
Couldn't that just be signalling people are sick desperate and vomitorious over low bank interest rates?

yes and yes

...and yes

Even I (one of the notorious "permabears") finally caved, and the low rate environment is what completely pushed us over the edge.

Low interest rates are weird.
Submitted by squat300 on July 8, 2012 - 10:29am.

Low interest rates are weird. Someday we will look back at it as very weird probably. It really does make hanging on to cash feel dangerous.

You still need to look at who
Submitted by Jazzman on July 8, 2012 - 10:32am.

You still need to look at who those cash buyers are and what their goals are. Properties were cash-flowing positive a long time ago in many parts of the country, where home prices are so much cheaper, and a 5-10% further decline is not calamitous anyway. I think you'll find yield chasers comprise a healthy portion of those cash buyers, and they won't all have the luxury of waiting for an uptick in prices.

You only know you've hit bottom after consecutive months of appreciation, discounting any seasonal blips. This market is going to be harder to tell when that happens, since we're probably in for a long flat period, which doesn't signal a recovery necessarily, but that the worst is over.

After thinking about it a
Submitted by moneymaker on July 8, 2012 - 8:00pm.

After thinking about it a bit, I think the media focuses on unemployment when talking about the economy. Although that aspect affects many people. I don't think it is 100% necessary for unemployment to go down in order to enter into recovery mode. I think once those jobs are gone, they are gone, don't think they will be coming back any time soon. So anyone unemployed should either start their own business or get a job that can't be exported or be filled by H-1B visas.

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