OT: Why Obama is Mum About Harvard

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Submitted by jficquette on June 19, 2009 - 8:06am

Obama is way over his head just like I thought he would be.

"On the surface, at least, Barack Obama’s single most impressive accomplishment has been his 1990 election to the presidency of the Harvard Law Review.

This position also provided Obama his only real executive experience as he supervised the law review's staff of 80 editors.

One has to wonder then why neither he nor wife Michelle emphasized this singular honor during the up-by-the-bootstraps biographical sections of their respective speeches at Denver.

In fact, neither of them so much as mentioned Obama’s time at Harvard, this despite his vulnerability on the executive experience charge.

Their silence likely derives from one verifiable fact: Obama’s record at Harvard was no more authentic than John Kerry’s record in Vietnam."

http://www.cashill.com/natl_general/why_...

Submitted by fishsticks on June 19, 2009 - 8:28am.

I knew it: Obama is a non-American Muslim who is actually dumb as a piece of wood and only got into a good school because of "connections" he developed as a lower middle class black kid growing up in Hawaii. Thanks for helping us out on that.

Certainly, the sparkling eloquence and razor-sharp intellect of George W would have gotten him a place on the Harvard law review. Damn affirmative action -- always keeping the white man down.

Palin/Rush 2012

Submitted by DataAgent on June 19, 2009 - 8:44am.

>>> Palin/Rush 2012 <<<

A conservative's dream ticket!

Submitted by surveyor on June 19, 2009 - 9:06am.

hey fishsticks:

Obamatons who keep bringing up Bush as a justification for Obama's short-comings do themselves no favors. It shows a lack of critical thinking and an unwillingness to acknowledge certain facts.

By the way, W was a fighter pilot. You don't get to be a fighter pilot without intelligence. It isn't a position that is given to you. You have to earn it by being competent to fly.

Here is a typical question on an exam that W. had to pass. W. had to answer 60 questions like this in order to qualify for flying.

What should be the approximate elapsed time from the BOSEMAN (BZN) VOR to the DUBOIS (DBS) VORTAC if the wind is 24 knots from 260 degrees and your intended True Air Speed is 185 knots? (The magnetic variation is 17deg. E)

A. 33 minutes
B. 37 minutes
C. 39 minutes

Now can you answer that question on your own? If so, maybe you're right that W. is not an intelligent person. But the evidence proves you wrong.

Submitted by pri_dk on June 19, 2009 - 10:40am.

surveyor wrote:
It isn't a position that is given to you.

You are correct. I'm sure you learned during your many years of service, that there is no nepotism in the military. Never. And no one ever cheats on exams either...

Submitted by Zeitgeist on June 19, 2009 - 11:01am.

For the same reason he is eliminating independent watch dogs. He cannot handle any opposition and he is definitely not transparent. "Obama has fired 2 IGs in 2 weeks, leashed another": http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/18/ob...

Submitted by Zeitgeist on June 19, 2009 - 11:02am.

For the same reason he is eliminating independent watch dogs. He cannot handle any opposition and he is definitely not transparent. "Obama has fired 2 IGs in 2 weeks, leashed another": http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/18/ob...

Submitted by aldante on June 19, 2009 - 11:05am.

Palin/Rush 2012[/quote]

Never have I had more of a grotesque laugh then when I saw that.............

Submitted by afx114 on June 19, 2009 - 11:45am.

Criticize how he's handling Iran, or how he's handling housing/the economy, or how he's handling healthcare, or how he's a socialist... but seriously, this is what you come up with?

Straw, meet grasp.

Submitted by gn on June 19, 2009 - 11:45am.

DataAgent wrote:
>>> Palin/Rush 2012 <<<

A conservative's dream ticket!

It would also be also the democrats' dream :-)

Submitted by Zeitgeist on June 19, 2009 - 12:04pm.

Obama KooladeObama Koolade

Submitted by doofrat on June 19, 2009 - 12:36pm.

surveyor wrote:

Here is a typical question on an exam that W. had to pass. W. had to answer 60 questions like this in order to qualify for flying.

What should be the approximate elapsed time from the BOSEMAN (BZN) VOR to the DUBOIS (DBS) VORTAC if the wind is 24 knots from 260 degrees and your intended True Air Speed is 185 knots? (The magnetic variation is 17deg. E)

A. 33 minutes
B. 37 minutes
C. 39 minutes

Now can you answer that question on your own? If so, maybe you're right that W. is not an intelligent person. But the evidence proves you wrong.

I took and passed this test before I was halfway through High School. And I wasn't the most stellar HS student.

Submitted by surveyor on June 19, 2009 - 12:41pm.

The Dilbert principle

pri_dk wrote:
surveyor wrote:
It isn't a position that is given to you.

You are correct. I'm sure you learned during your many years of service, that there is no nepotism in the military. Never. And no one ever cheats on exams either...

This is where facts come in. W. was trained, tested, competed with others, and was qualified to fly military aircraft. Despite what you may think of our military, there are very few who would put an unqualified person into the seat of such an aircraft. Flying such expensive machinery entails hours and hours of training. Flying a plane (especially back then) is not the same as getting your driver's license. You do not put unqualified people into a million dollar machine.

You can't cheat your way into that, despite how little you think of our military.

Submitted by surveyor on June 19, 2009 - 12:47pm.

doofrat wrote:

I took and passed this test before I was halfway through High School. And I wasn't the most stellar HS student.

So you should be able to show how to solve this problem right? Please go ahead.

And while you're doing that, you should be able to operate this right?

Control panel of F-106A DeltaControl panel of F-106A Delta

Submitted by fishsticks on June 19, 2009 - 7:46pm.

Surveyor, you've made a good point -- GW was a little less stupid than we remember, although he did only score a 25% on his pilot aptitude test and never would have been accepted into the Texas Guard had it not been for"affirmative action" from his congressman father. But Bush did have the smarts to dodge Vietnam by entering the Guard, so he did have something going on upstairs.

All due respect, but starting from nowhere, getting through Harvard, and becoming a law professor at the University of Chicago takes a lot more brain power than getting a 25% on your pilot aptitude test. If anyone received the blessings of affirmative action, it was Bush. Had it not been for his family, he'd be running a GM car lot in Houston (and we'd all be a lot better for it).

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on June 19, 2009 - 7:57pm.

surveyor wrote:
doofrat wrote:

I took and passed this test before I was halfway through High School. And I wasn't the most stellar HS student.

So you should be able to show how to solve this problem right? Please go ahead.

And while you're doing that, you should be able to operate this right?

Control panel of F-106A DeltaControl panel of F-106A Delta

Surveyor: Apropos of nothing, the F-106 Delta Dart was designed to fire the "Genie" Air 2A nuke. It was a 1.5Kt yield nuke and was meant to be deployed against Russian strategic bomber formations attacking US targets.

It was an air-to-air nuke. That's some amazing shit when you think about it.

Alright, back to the regularly scheduled programming.

Submitted by patb on June 19, 2009 - 8:17pm.

surveyor wrote:
hey fishsticks:

Obamatons who keep bringing up Bush as a justification for Obama's short-comings do themselves no favors. It shows a lack of critical thinking and an unwillingness to acknowledge certain facts.

By the way, W was a fighter pilot. You don't get to be a fighter pilot without intelligence. It isn't a position that is given to you. You have to earn it by being competent to fly.

Here is a typical question on an exam that W. had to pass. W. had to answer 60 questions like this in order to qualify for flying.

What should be the approximate elapsed time from the BOSEMAN (BZN) VOR to the DUBOIS (DBS) VORTAC if the wind is 24 knots from 260 degrees and your intended True Air Speed is 185 knots? (The magnetic variation is 17deg. E)

A. 33 minutes
B. 37 minutes
C. 39 minutes

Now can you answer that question on your own? If so, maybe you're right that W. is not an intelligent person. But the evidence proves you wrong.

you can't answer that question without a map, or the distance between BZN and DBS.

Bush passed at the bottom of the acceptable score,

and he was taken off flight status, within 12 months.

No fighter pilot ever lets that happen without some ignominous circumstance.

Submitted by Arraya on June 19, 2009 - 8:18pm.

My president is smarter than your president! I don't think intelligence matters when you have "experts" in every area guiding your decisions. Bush had his foreign policy and military gurus and Obama has the financial wizards. I suspect the economic plans will be as successful as the Iraq plans.

Submitted by luxuryglow on June 19, 2009 - 9:08pm.

DataAgent wrote:
>>> Palin/Rush 2012 <<<

A conservative's dream ticket!


Rock on!

Submitted by SK in CV on June 19, 2009 - 9:19pm.

DataAgent wrote:
>>> Palin/Rush 2012 <<<

A conservative's dream ticket!

And every Democrat's wet dream.

Submitted by flu on June 19, 2009 - 10:21pm.

Arraya wrote:
My president is smarter than your president! I don't think intelligence matters when you have "experts" in every area guiding your decisions. Bush had his foreign policy and military gurus and Obama has the financial wizards. I suspect the economic plans will be as successful as the Iraq plans.

WINNAR!

Submitted by afx114 on June 20, 2009 - 12:17am.

There is a difference between doing what the "experts" say and making an informed decision based on "expert" opinion. Deliberation requires intelligence.

Submitted by patb on June 20, 2009 - 3:10pm.

This is really typical of the sad dissolution of the GOP.
The party is reduced to bizarre theories about Obama's past.

Sometimes Brilliant is more then in grades. Sometimes Amazing is in more
then LSAT's. Maybe Obama didn't want to clerk, but needed to make
some money at a firm.

If the theory was Obama was just an AA baby, then I suggest they
find data. Dig up facts. Interview people.

Oterwise STFU

Submitted by surveyor on June 20, 2009 - 3:30pm.

intelligensia

Fishsticks, I'm glad that you accede my point. However, most people have never claimed Obama to be unintelligent or less intelligent than Bush. My main criticism of him is his lack of historical knowledge. In Bush's case, however, there have been many people who have claimed him to be unintelligent, a claim that is factually untrue.

A person who scores a 25% on a pilot aptitude test does not automatically get labeled a moron. Many people would get a score of 10% on a molecular biology examination, but that does not mean they are unintelligent. My proof lies in that his aility to fly a plane, pass the test and meet qualifications is proof of his intelligence. Those facts expose the lie that he is unintelligent.

Submitted by afx114 on June 20, 2009 - 3:38pm.

Any President's intelligence will be judged by history, not by test scores or the ability to fly a plane or pass the bar exam.

Submitted by rnen on June 20, 2009 - 4:36pm.

At this point I really dont give a rats ass what Omama has done in the past, it is what he is doing right now that freaks me out.

He and the Dems are making Bush look like a penny pinching miser. Obama will be judged by history and if things continue on this path he will knock Bush off the worst Pres. in history throne, by a long shot.

While the Obama supporters continue to drink his koolaid he and the Dems are spending thier kids and grandkids money like there is no tomorrow.

Who wants to bet that Obama's "comprehensive immigration reform" will include amnesty??

Nothing like giving legal citizens 20 million new competitors for the few jobs to go around, the fact that there is double digit unemployment seems to be lost on those Einstines. Yep, they sure do look out for the workin man.

Submitted by patb on June 20, 2009 - 6:16pm.

surveyor wrote:
intelligensia

. My main criticism of him is his lack of historical knowledge. In Bush's case, however, there have been many people who have claimed him to be unintelligent, a claim that is factually untrue.

1) GWB was having trouble reading in the 4th Grade.

2) This is a guy who didn't know the difference between Shia and Sunni.

3) This is a guy who had trouble holding a conversation.

10 years in Betty Ford won't rehabilitate that loser.

Submitted by Zeitgeist on June 20, 2009 - 6:19pm.
Submitted by drboom on June 20, 2009 - 9:37pm.

surveyor wrote:
My proof lies in that his aility to fly a plane, pass the test and meet qualifications is proof of his intelligence. Those facts expose the lie that he is unintelligent.

Randy Cunningham was a hell of a fighter pilot. He is one of only two American pilot aces in the Vietnam War.

He also did some things a little later that fairly reek of arrogant stupidity.

Now what's your point again?

Submitted by EconProf on June 20, 2009 - 9:40pm.

Plenty of evidence can be mustered to prove that Bush and Obama have each done some stupid things in their lives, and each has done some smart things as well. But I'd like to argue that intelligence, in an IQ sense, is less important to being a good president than such things as character, ideology, and common sense. Perhaps the worst president since WW II was Jimmy Carter, who had IQ and character, but lacked judgement and leaned far left. And we now revere such middling minds as Truman and Eisenhower for their guts and organization skills at a time of testing for our nation.
Another observation about the Bush vs. Obama contest: Obama is charismatic and masterful as a speaker, while Bush talks like a hick. Many people can't get past appearances in our American Idol culture, to Bush's disadvantage. I suspect history will treat him more kindly than today's chattering classes.

Submitted by MicroGravity on June 20, 2009 - 10:21pm.

If you ignore what they say, and just watch what they do, it gets really hard to tell any of these guys apart.
Bush championed one of the largest increases in govt. in decades, did little to end abortion...
Obama has yet to close Gitmo, hasn't started any noticeable pull-back from Iraq...

In the meantime, things like one of the largest transfers of wealth occurring with the banks borrowing our money at zero percent, and lending it back to us at 5.5 percent goes mostly unnoticed (with certain blogs excepted).

IMHO, I think they all get together at Old Ebbit Grill and just laugh their asses off at us bickering over all the razzle dazzle.

“I want to keep the Democrats out of my pocketbook and the Republicans out of my bedroom.”--unknown