OT - Who will run for President on the Republican side?

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Submitted by briansd1 on April 26, 2011 - 10:11am

List of potential candidates:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/2012-repu...

Which one do you like? (some have withdrawn).

Mitt Romney
Sarah Palin
Newt Gingrich
Michele Bachmann
Jon Hunstman
Ron Paul
Rick Santorum
Herman Cain
Buddy Roemer
Chris Christie
Rick Perry
Michael Bloomberg

Submitted by markmax33 on January 9, 2012 - 9:13pm.

SK in CV wrote:
markmax33 wrote:

I'm sorry but that is slander [sic] again. You create coiltion [sic] by telling them to obey the constitution.

Really? You create a coalition by telling them what to do? With people you describe as "children"? Never had kids, huh? I think you deeply underestimate the obstacles all presidents face in enacting their agendas.

Yes you tell them to follow the constitution and you let the electorate know when they don't. Have you ever seen a President call out the Congress on violating the constitution? How do you know it won't work if such a thing has never existed? It is supposed to be his job:

"I, Ron Paul, do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and I will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States."

It hasn't happened in years. It will either start to happen or the republic will dissolve. I don't know which option you would like better, but most likely since you are older you won't see the republic dissolve. I most likely will if we continue.

Submitted by sdrealtor on January 10, 2012 - 9:42am.

Cool! We ll have a liquid republic once it dissolves. We can bottle it as a new energy drink and sell it to China

Submitted by briansd1 on January 10, 2012 - 5:43pm.

poorgradstudent wrote:

The Republican Party is less than a decade from caving on gay rights because of demographic trends. There will be a transition with some acrobatics to justify regional differences, but the writing is on the wall that as a block under 40s are ok with gay marriage, and that support isn't really eroding with time.

I agree. The business community, state and local governments have already caved by offering benefits to same sex partners.

poorgradstudent wrote:

The Latino vote is certainly intriguing. There's a lot of evidence that Latinos on the whole aren't very enthusiastic about the Republican party, but as a group Latino voters do tend to lean slightly more socially conservative. They've shown a willingness to vote with conservatives on specific ballot initiatives like Proposition 8 while still casting their votes for Obama and Democratic lawmakers. I'm curious what the Republican coalition will look like 20 years from now.

I think the Republican coalition will be in disarray.

Non-college educated, economically anxious Whites will realize they've been had and the base will evaporate.

So I expect the Republicans to turn up the anti-immigrants rhetoric to appeal to the base. We will see more Arizona style SB1070 initiated in other states.

As I said before initiative such as Prop 8 will prove futile.

Time will tell...

Submitted by briansd1 on January 10, 2012 - 5:56pm.

Allan from Fallbrook wrote:

Huntsman is the future of the GOP. The best thing that can happen to the Republicans is for Obama to win again in 2012.

Yes, I agree.

Allan from Fallbrook wrote:

I agree that the hard Christian Right will take an immense hit, as well as the Tea Party and the GOP will return from the wilderness in 2016 behind someone like Jon Huntsman.

I don't think that the establishment can control the hard right anymore.

The hard right are the foot soldiers of the party. How will the Republican party establishment get the religious base to nominate someone like Huntsman?

Allan from Fallbrook wrote:

As thoroughly dysfunctional as the GOP is at present (and it is BAD), the Dems are in worse shape. They are unable to deal with the fact that major systemic and structural changes are necessary, because dealing with them will alienate massive chunks of their base. So, they continue playing the same cards, again and again, instead of focusing on true reform. This last little fiasco with the Defense cuts shows how intransigent the Dems are over true reform on entitlements. Entitlements are the single, largest payout within the budget and this problem is rapidly going terminal.

I don't see how what you describe is a "demography is destiny" problem for Democrats. Democrats just need to let Republicans petulantly play obstruction and call for cuts to entitlements. Democrats can then pretend to cave in areas that do really need reforms, and then blame the Republicans for being the heartless, money-hungry party of capitalists.

Allan from Fallbrook wrote:

I like the fact that Huntsman is unapologetic about his views, but still hews to a very conservative line, especially when it comes to a coherent approach on business and taxes.

I prefer Obama, or Biden, but I could live with Huntsman as president in 2016. But I don't see how Republicans will nominate him.

Time will tell... We need to eat our veggies, stay healthy and live long enough to see it all unfold, decades from now.

Submitted by markmax33 on January 10, 2012 - 7:51pm.

I've listened to Huntsman several times in debates and speeches. I have yet to hear him actually offer a plan or discuss how to change America, other than the fact we need a leader. I can't tell you how many candidates in the last 40 years including Obama came with the same message and failed. If anybody should consider him seriously he should list what he's planning in the debates and his speeches. I don't actually know how anybody decides to back him based on the information he presents other than fact he looks somewhat presidential and attractive daughters.

Submitted by briansd1 on January 10, 2012 - 9:25pm.

I like that Huntsman speaks Chinese and was US Ambassador to China.

I believe that developing our relationship with China while continuing to deepen our ties with Europe and the rest of the world are keys to winning the 21st century.

Huntsman is a well educated person -- not a chest thumping redneck who's never been anywhere.

Submitted by briansd1 on January 10, 2012 - 9:39pm.

Ron Paul did surprisingly well.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/11/us/pol...

His supporters are are feeling good. It would be cool if he ran as an independent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUBgI45_uI8

Submitted by flu on January 10, 2012 - 9:51pm.

briansd1 wrote:
I like that Huntsman speaks Chinese and was US Ambassador to China.

I believe that developing our relationship with China while continuing to deepen our ties with Europe and the rest of the world are keys to winning the 21st century.

Huntsman is a well educated person -- not a chest thumping redneck who's never been anywhere.

Wow....

Brian liking Huntsman and Paul
and FLU thinking obama would be a good choice to balance the government if Rep's control Congress.. (though I like Huntsman and Paul too)

What is the world coming too? :)

Submitted by harvey on January 11, 2012 - 7:36am.

markmax33 wrote:
I don't actually know how anybody decides to back him based on the information he presents other than fact he looks somewhat presidential and attractive daughters.

Are you saying that Huntsman's daughters are hotter than Ron Paul's daughters?

Submitted by markmax33 on January 11, 2012 - 9:06am.

I'm not sure I've seen a picture of Ron Paul's daughters. Those are his granddaughters and Huntsman's daughters are probably more attractive.

Submitted by markmax33 on January 11, 2012 - 10:44am.

Ron Paul Daughter, I think!Ron Paul Daughter, I think!

Submitted by briansd1 on January 11, 2012 - 12:51pm.

flu wrote:

Wow....

Brian liking Huntsman and Paul
and FLU thinking obama would be a good choice to balance the government if Rep's control Congress.. (though I like Huntsman and Paul too)

What is the world coming too? :)

haha, flu, it's a question of degrees of liking.

Just so we are clear, I still like Obama better than Huntsman. But Huntsman is not even an option if he doesn't win the nomination.

Ron Paul would be relevant if he runs as an independent, but I'd support Obama over Ron Paul.

Submitted by enron_by_the_sea on January 11, 2012 - 5:58pm.

I don't care either way as long as it is Obama, Romney or Huntsman.

My number #1 priority when voting is to make sure that there is balance in the system after the election.

As of today it looks like GOP will control house, senate and Supreme court after the election-2012 (although they won't have 60 votes in the senate.)

Hence as of now it is Obama for me! In CA, my vote for president does not make any difference any way!

Submitted by markmax33 on January 11, 2012 - 6:24pm.

enron_by_the_sea wrote:
I don't care either way as long as it is Obama, Romney or Huntsman.

My number #1 priority when voting is to make sure that there is balance in the system after the election.

As of today it looks like GOP will control house, senate and Supreme court after the election-2012 (although they won't have 60 votes in the senate.)

Hence as of now it is Obama for me! In CA, my vote for president does not make any difference any way!

I'm not sure how you call the current system balanced, unless a balanced system is completely ignoring the Constitution, burying us in debt and looking for another middle east country to occupy after we destroy the last one. I'm not sure how that system is positive in the long run either.

Submitted by markmax33 on January 11, 2012 - 6:29pm.

briansd1 wrote:
flu wrote:

Wow....

Brian liking Huntsman and Paul
and FLU thinking obama would be a good choice to balance the government if Rep's control Congress.. (though I like Huntsman and Paul too)

What is the world coming too? :)

haha, flu, it's a question of degrees of liking.

Just so we are clear, I still like Obama better than Huntsman. But Huntsman is not even an option if he doesn't win the nomination.

Ron Paul would be relevant if he runs as an independent, but I'd support Obama over Ron Paul.

I'm not sure how you come to the conclussion Ron Paul would be irrelevant running as a 3rd party. He only needs 15% of the vote to get into all of the televised debates and he certainly has that right now.

I also don't know how it is irrelevant that even if he doesn't get elected he builds from 0% - 5 years ago to 25% today and that will only continue for Rand Paul or Gary Johnson in the next election. The momentum is building and Obama and the Republicans will be taken out one day sooner than later.

Submitted by briansd1 on January 11, 2012 - 9:18pm.

markmax33, I said that Ron Paul would be relevant (not irrelevant) if the ran as an independent. I hope he does run as an independent.

Submitted by briansd1 on January 11, 2012 - 9:19pm.

enron_by_the_sea wrote:

Hence as of now it is Obama for me! In CA, my vote for president does not make any difference any way!

We need to move to Ohio, or send in a check ;)

Submitted by markmax33 on January 11, 2012 - 9:49pm.

whoops. So used to the haters.

Submitted by bearishgurl on January 12, 2012 - 10:06am.

markmax33 wrote:
whoops. So used to the haters.

markmax, keep it up. You're doing fine here on Piggington.

I enjoyed listening to Paul's refreshing "post-primary speech" brian. Thanks for posting!

Submitted by blahblahblah on January 12, 2012 - 11:20am.

I, for one, am very upset about the media blackout of presidential candidate Vermin Supreme.

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on January 12, 2012 - 12:08pm.

CONCHO wrote:
I, for one, am very upset about the media blackout of presidential candidate Vermin Supreme.

CONCHO: He may not have "The Hair" like Mittens does, but he does have "The Hat"! That lid is awesome! I haven't seen a hat that cool since the movie "Willow".

Plus, he's got some half-buried crypto-fascist leanings that are somewhat appealing. And the hat...

Submitted by UCGal on January 13, 2012 - 10:09am.

CONCHO wrote:
I, for one, am very upset about the media blackout of presidential candidate Vermin Supreme.

Omg... that is funny.

Submitted by sdrealtor on January 13, 2012 - 10:47am.

Hey thats not fair! Credit where credit is due. I posted about Vermin Supreme over a week ago. My 11 year old son found him on You Tube and loved his position to eliminate our dependency on foreign oil by giving everyone in the US a pony.

Submitted by blahblahblah on January 13, 2012 - 4:11pm.

sdrealtor wrote:
Hey thats not fair! Credit where credit is due. I posted about Vermin Supreme over a week ago. My 11 year old son found him on You Tube and loved his position to eliminate our dependency on foreign oil by giving everyone in the US a pony.

The pony program is interesting but I am more excited about Vermin Supreme's proposal to harness the awesome power of zombies as an alternative energy source.

Zombie threadjack begins in 3...2...1...

Submitted by briansd1 on January 13, 2012 - 7:23pm.

Robert Reich has an interesting editorial on Ron Paul.

No other Republican candidate has come nearly as close to winning over young voters – and the GOP desperately needs young voters. The median age of registered Republicans is rising faster than the median age of America.

The Republican right thinks Paul’s views on the economy are responsible for this fire among the young. Yesterday evening, on Larry Kudlow’s CNBC program, I squared off with Larry and the Wall Street Journal’s Steve Moore. Both are convinced young people are attracted by Paul’s strict adherence to the views of Austrian economist Ludwig von Mises, and Paul’s desire to move America back to the gold standard.

Baloney. The young are flocking to Ron Paul because he wants to slice military spending, bring our troops home, stop government from spying on American citizens, and legalize pot.

http://robertreich.org/post/15699314832

Submitted by markmax33 on January 13, 2012 - 8:16pm.

briansd1 wrote:
Robert Reich has an interesting editorial on Ron Paul.

No other Republican candidate has come nearly as close to winning over young voters – and the GOP desperately needs young voters. The median age of registered Republicans is rising faster than the median age of America.

The Republican right thinks Paul’s views on the economy are responsible for this fire among the young. Yesterday evening, on Larry Kudlow’s CNBC program, I squared off with Larry and the Wall Street Journal’s Steve Moore. Both are convinced young people are attracted by Paul’s strict adherence to the views of Austrian economist Ludwig von Mises, and Paul’s desire to move America back to the gold standard.

Baloney. The young are flocking to Ron Paul because he wants to slice military spending, bring our troops home, stop government from spying on American citizens, and legalize pot.

http://robertreich.org/post/15699314832

Ron Paul's End the Fed book what inspired by students at the University constantly chanting, "End the Fed!" I think the youth realize the corruption of the federal reserve as well as the things you listed.

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on January 14, 2012 - 4:49pm.

briansd1 wrote:
Robert Reich has an interesting editorial on Ron Paul.

No other Republican candidate has come nearly as close to winning over young voters – and the GOP desperately needs young voters. The median age of registered Republicans is rising faster than the median age of America.

The Republican right thinks Paul’s views on the economy are responsible for this fire among the young. Yesterday evening, on Larry Kudlow’s CNBC program, I squared off with Larry and the Wall Street Journal’s Steve Moore. Both are convinced young people are attracted by Paul’s strict adherence to the views of Austrian economist Ludwig von Mises, and Paul’s desire to move America back to the gold standard.

Baloney. The young are flocking to Ron Paul because he wants to slice military spending, bring our troops home, stop government from spying on American citizens, and legalize pot.

http://robertreich.org/post/15699314832

Brian: WashPost article on why America is no longer the land of the free: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i...

As a "Progressive", you might ask yourself whether gay rights are more important than, say, your individual liberty and your civil rights (both of which have been eroded considerably, post 9-11).

Of course, a "Progressive" who openly admires Communist China should probably also do a self-check and ask himself what someone who ostensibly is for ALL human rights is doing supporting one of the world's most egregious offenders of same.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on January 15, 2012 - 12:10am.

ok, if ron paul is into legalizing drugs, then he's all right. ron paul in 2012! I'm not moved by the fed reserve stuff, but if he wants to end the war on drugs, i think he's a-ok.

obama's a total dickthe way he goes after the state clinics. i thought he'd lay off. he's being kind of a loser. old. compromisey. nauseating.

ron paul!

Submitted by bearishgurl on January 15, 2012 - 12:58am.

walterwhite wrote:
ok, if ron paul is into legalizing drugs, then he's all right. ron paul in 2012! I'm not moved by the fed reserve stuff, but if he wants to end the war on drugs, i think he's a-ok....

scaredy, I agree that the "war on drugs" has been mostly futile and has cost our country a bundle over the years. I'm also against petty drug crimes being prosecuted. Not only do these needless prosecutions create more (expensive) "three-strikers" to languish in the criminal justice system and then be warehoused (and "job security" for the scaredy cats of the world), they suck up ungodly amounts of multiple agencies time and court time and leave thousands of minor children as wards of the state. Even if these children are placed temporarily with other relatives, those relatives are paid by counties to feed and house them and those children then become eligible for Medi-Cal.

I'm all for leaving these parents who "got caught" possessing at their jobs so they can continue to make their restitution payments and support their families. Yes, even if they are "repeat offenders." Or at the very least, short term residential rehab should be ordered, if necessary, to get that parent back whole again so they can work.

If Ron Paul has this same or similar mindset, then I, too, am for him.

Submitted by svelte on January 15, 2012 - 9:14am.

Even RP knows he won't win. He's just out there to gather support for his positions:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/201...

Hard to connect with the voters while you're sitting at home.

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