JaMarcus Russell won only JaMarcus Russell won only seven of his 25 starts as the Raiders extended an NFL-worst streak to seven straight seasons with at least 11 losses. He completed just 52.1 percent of his passes in his career with 18 touchdowns, 23 interceptions, 15 lost fumbles and a passer rating of 65.2.
That means Russell has been paid more than $5 million per win, more than $2 million per touchdown pass and more than $100,000 per completion.
While Russell’s numbers are superior to Leaf’s, he was paid considerably more money to do it and was picked first instead of second. Leaf’s rookie contract guaranteed him only $11.25 million. [Source: ESPN]
Shadowfax
June 13, 2010 @
11:56 AM
Um, this is an economics, Um, this is an economics, housing and related topics website. ESPN has ample bandwidth for these sorts of partisan debates. I think this should be banned!
Allan from Fallbrook
June 13, 2010 @
12:02 PM
Shadowfax wrote:Um, this is [quote=Shadowfax]Um, this is an economics, housing and related topics website. ESPN has ample bandwidth for these sorts of partisan debates. I think this should be banned![/quote]
Yeah, what Shadowfax said!
Casca
June 13, 2010 @
1:48 PM
Allan from Fallbrook [quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Shadowfax]Um, this is an economics, housing and related topics website. ESPN has ample bandwidth for these sorts of partisan debates. I think this should be banned![/quote]
Yeah, what Shadowfax said![/quote]
I haven’t thought deeply about this, but I’m pretty sure that SF & Allan should be burned at the stake, fuel source optional of course. BSD should be buried in the desert up to his neck, and have honey poured on his head.
Shadowfax
June 13, 2010 @
2:00 PM
Casca wrote:
I haven’t [quote=Casca]
I haven’t thought deeply about this, but I’m pretty sure that SF & Allan should be burned at the stake, fuel source optional of course. BSD should be buried in the desert up to his neck, and have honey poured on his head.[/quote]
huh?! what’d I do?
Well, if fuel source = solar = nice tan!!
Aw, c’mon. AFF is just being a good sport and playing along. People tend to take themselves too seriously around here. Previous poster included….
Allan from Fallbrook
June 13, 2010 @
2:07 PM
Casca wrote:Allan from [quote=Casca][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Shadowfax]Um, this is an economics, housing and related topics website. ESPN has ample bandwidth for these sorts of partisan debates. I think this should be banned![/quote]
Yeah, what Shadowfax said![/quote]
I haven’t thought deeply about this, but I’m pretty sure that SF & Allan should be burned at the stake, fuel source optional of course. BSD should be buried in the desert up to his neck, and have honey poured on his head.[/quote]
Unfunny, offensive and more than a little creepy. I don’t know what your deal is, Casca, but you have the unfortunate tendency to not only take things way more personal than you should, you also get far more personal than you should.
This whole thread was meant to be light hearted and to get everyone to ease up a little from some of the more political invective. I do take what you said personally and I’m going to ask you to remove it.
gandalf
June 13, 2010 @
3:34 PM
Casca wrote:I haven’t thought [quote=Casca]I haven’t thought deeply about this, but I’m pretty sure that SF & Allan should be burned at the stake, fuel source optional of course. BSD should be buried in the desert up to his neck, and have honey poured on his head.[/quote]
These comments are really pretty offensive.
Nothing to do with the thread.
Aecetia
June 13, 2010 @
6:10 PM
I think it is Casca’s version I think it is Casca’s version of black humor.
Allan from Fallbrook
June 13, 2010 @
6:41 PM
Aecetia wrote:I think it is [quote=Aecetia]I think it is Casca’s version of black humor.[/quote]
Aecetia: I hate to disagree with you, but I really take these comments as coming from someone with a mental illness. Black humor or no, there is nothing at all funny about his remarks.
Given his earlier support for torture and his use of the Nazis as an example for same, its more than a little disturbing.
LAAFTERHOURS
June 13, 2010 @
6:46 PM
Did Leaf actually try? The Did Leaf actually try? The LSU bum didnt really try or at least he didnt look like he tried.
What’s truly amazing is how far Al Davis has fallen when it comes to picking talent.
Back in the day (1960s, 1970s and into the 1980s), he was renowned for his ability to not only pick talent, but pick castoffs and misfits (think Ted “The Mad Stork” Hendricks, Alzado, Matuszak) and fold them into what was once the fearsome Raider machine.
Russell and Heyward-Bey are just two recent examples of how tone-deaf Al has become. And don’t even get started on the coaches. Oy vey.
Speaking of Ryan Leaf, didn’t he just get indicted and go to the big house? I thought I read that somewhere.
Aecetia
June 13, 2010 @
7:34 PM
Allan you would know Casca Allan you would know Casca better than I do and I did not read the Nazi torture post either. Maybe he is having a bad day. I guess I should not bring up the USC punishment for NCAA rule violations. I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on if the punishment was appropriate or not. If that irritates him then I prefer not to be gut shot, stabbed, hanged, boiled in oil, keel hauled, buried in the desert with a honey facial or drowned. A firing squad is the only really cool death next to overdosing on chocolate and dying in your sleep.
gandalf
June 13, 2010 @
9:43 PM
Yeah, Ryan Leaf pretty much Yeah, Ryan Leaf pretty much sucked. All of us Chargers fans know this, he just pretty much sucked. Big bust. We know it.
Russell made like $60M though. He got paid mega-bucks to suck. That’s the difference-maker in my mind. He’s a bigger bust. Didn’t Al Davis even overrule his coaches on drafting Russell? Senility, maybe?
Allan from Fallbrook
June 13, 2010 @
9:56 PM
gandalf wrote:Yeah, Ryan Leaf [quote=gandalf]Yeah, Ryan Leaf pretty much sucked. All of us Chargers fans know this, he just pretty much sucked. Big bust. We know it.
Russell made like $60M though. He got paid mega-bucks to suck. That’s the difference-maker in my mind. He’s a bigger bust. Didn’t Al Davis even overrule his coaches on drafting Russell? Senility, maybe?[/quote]
Gandalf: Nah, its okay. I remember going to Raiders games as a kid (1970s) with my dad, and they were an amazing team to watch, especially when they played other smashmouth teams, like the Steelers. Football back then wasn’t as “polite” as it is now. I know players are bigger and stronger and faster, but football back in the day was brutal. Hell, playing in Pop Warner back in the 1970s was tougher than it is now. There weren’t as many rules and physical violence pretty much defined the game.
I think your comment about senility is spot on. The game has passed Davis by and we’re now seeing the final collapse of his reign. Beyond the Raiders, this is the guy that really made the NFL the media and marketing powerhouse it is today. Very, very sharp businessman and along with guys like Lamar Hunt made the NFL the multi-billion dollar business it is presently.
But, yeah, we really suck. Well, there’s always college ball and the Trojans. Oh, wait.
(former)FormerSanDiegan
June 13, 2010 @
9:57 PM
The Year Leaf was drafted The Year Leaf was drafted there was serious debate over whether Peyton Manning or Ryan Leaf should be drafted first. The Chargers moved up one slot (fr0m #3 to #2) to get one or the other.
Russell was a bad personnel decision by a cranky old man, who has lost it.
As a former CHargers season ticket holder (Ryan Leaf’s rookie season was our last), I may be biased, but I think it’s pretty clear that Leaf was the more epic Fail.
Allan from Fallbrook
June 14, 2010 @
9:46 AM
FormerSanDiegan wrote:The [quote=FormerSanDiegan]The Year Leaf was drafted there was serious debate over whether Peyton Manning or Ryan Leaf should be drafted first. The Chargers moved up one slot (fr0m #3 to #2) to get one or the other.
[/quote]
FSD: Not saying this to bust your chops, but can you imagine if the Chargers had drafted Manning instead? Damn. Talk about what might have been. I’ve watched literally dozens of games where Manning has virtually willed the Colts to victory. While I find his physical talents amazing, especially his ability to fit the ball into impossible places, its his mental toughness and incredible preparation that make him the player he is.
outtamojo
June 14, 2010 @
12:46 AM
Allan from Fallbrook [quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=LAAFTERHOURS]Did Leaf actually try? The LSU bum didnt really try or at least he didnt look like he tried.
What’s truly amazing is how far Al Davis has fallen when it comes to picking talent.
Back in the day (1960s, 1970s and into the 1980s), he was renowned for his ability to not only pick talent, but pick castoffs and misfits (think Ted “The Mad Stork” Hendricks, Alzado, Matuszak) and fold them into what was once the fearsome Raider machine.
Russell and Heyward-Bey are just two recent examples of how tone-deaf Al has become. And don’t even get started on the coaches. Oy vey.
Speaking of Ryan Leaf, didn’t he just get indicted and go to the big house? I thought I read that somewhere.[/quote]
The rise and fall of da Raiduhs correlates very well with the presence of one Ron Wolf.
June 13, 2010 @ 11:44 AM
Highly-touted NFL Draft
Highly-touted NFL Draft picks…[img_assist|nid=13440|title=Busts.jpg|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=431|height=250]
June 13, 2010 @ 11:45 AM
JaMarcus Russell won only
JaMarcus Russell won only seven of his 25 starts as the Raiders extended an NFL-worst streak to seven straight seasons with at least 11 losses. He completed just 52.1 percent of his passes in his career with 18 touchdowns, 23 interceptions, 15 lost fumbles and a passer rating of 65.2.
That means Russell has been paid more than $5 million per win, more than $2 million per touchdown pass and more than $100,000 per completion.
While Russell’s numbers are superior to Leaf’s, he was paid considerably more money to do it and was picked first instead of second. Leaf’s rookie contract guaranteed him only $11.25 million. [Source: ESPN]
June 13, 2010 @ 11:56 AM
Um, this is an economics,
Um, this is an economics, housing and related topics website. ESPN has ample bandwidth for these sorts of partisan debates. I think this should be banned!
June 13, 2010 @ 12:02 PM
Shadowfax wrote:Um, this is
[quote=Shadowfax]Um, this is an economics, housing and related topics website. ESPN has ample bandwidth for these sorts of partisan debates. I think this should be banned![/quote]
Yeah, what Shadowfax said!
June 13, 2010 @ 1:48 PM
Allan from Fallbrook
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Shadowfax]Um, this is an economics, housing and related topics website. ESPN has ample bandwidth for these sorts of partisan debates. I think this should be banned![/quote]
Yeah, what Shadowfax said![/quote]
I haven’t thought deeply about this, but I’m pretty sure that SF & Allan should be burned at the stake, fuel source optional of course. BSD should be buried in the desert up to his neck, and have honey poured on his head.
June 13, 2010 @ 2:00 PM
Casca wrote:
I haven’t
[quote=Casca]
I haven’t thought deeply about this, but I’m pretty sure that SF & Allan should be burned at the stake, fuel source optional of course. BSD should be buried in the desert up to his neck, and have honey poured on his head.[/quote]
huh?! what’d I do?
Well, if fuel source = solar = nice tan!!
Aw, c’mon. AFF is just being a good sport and playing along. People tend to take themselves too seriously around here. Previous poster included….
June 13, 2010 @ 2:07 PM
Casca wrote:Allan from
[quote=Casca][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Shadowfax]Um, this is an economics, housing and related topics website. ESPN has ample bandwidth for these sorts of partisan debates. I think this should be banned![/quote]
Yeah, what Shadowfax said![/quote]
I haven’t thought deeply about this, but I’m pretty sure that SF & Allan should be burned at the stake, fuel source optional of course. BSD should be buried in the desert up to his neck, and have honey poured on his head.[/quote]
Unfunny, offensive and more than a little creepy. I don’t know what your deal is, Casca, but you have the unfortunate tendency to not only take things way more personal than you should, you also get far more personal than you should.
This whole thread was meant to be light hearted and to get everyone to ease up a little from some of the more political invective. I do take what you said personally and I’m going to ask you to remove it.
June 13, 2010 @ 3:34 PM
Casca wrote:I haven’t thought
[quote=Casca]I haven’t thought deeply about this, but I’m pretty sure that SF & Allan should be burned at the stake, fuel source optional of course. BSD should be buried in the desert up to his neck, and have honey poured on his head.[/quote]
These comments are really pretty offensive.
Nothing to do with the thread.
June 13, 2010 @ 6:10 PM
I think it is Casca’s version
I think it is Casca’s version of black humor.
June 13, 2010 @ 6:41 PM
Aecetia wrote:I think it is
[quote=Aecetia]I think it is Casca’s version of black humor.[/quote]
Aecetia: I hate to disagree with you, but I really take these comments as coming from someone with a mental illness. Black humor or no, there is nothing at all funny about his remarks.
Given his earlier support for torture and his use of the Nazis as an example for same, its more than a little disturbing.
June 13, 2010 @ 6:46 PM
Did Leaf actually try? The
Did Leaf actually try? The LSU bum didnt really try or at least he didnt look like he tried.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6kK73wpGNM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apsjDl33JgQ long but some really bad passes.
This is funnier – Darius Heyward Bey shows his wheels but forgets to tackle the guy.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU8TeIxafXM
June 13, 2010 @ 7:09 PM
LAAFTERHOURS wrote:Did Leaf
[quote=LAAFTERHOURS]Did Leaf actually try? The LSU bum didnt really try or at least he didnt look like he tried.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6kK73wpGNM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apsjDl33JgQ long but some really bad passes.
This is funnier – Darius Heyward Bey shows his wheels but forgets to tackle the guy.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU8TeIxafXM%5B/quote%5D
What’s truly amazing is how far Al Davis has fallen when it comes to picking talent.
Back in the day (1960s, 1970s and into the 1980s), he was renowned for his ability to not only pick talent, but pick castoffs and misfits (think Ted “The Mad Stork” Hendricks, Alzado, Matuszak) and fold them into what was once the fearsome Raider machine.
Russell and Heyward-Bey are just two recent examples of how tone-deaf Al has become. And don’t even get started on the coaches. Oy vey.
Speaking of Ryan Leaf, didn’t he just get indicted and go to the big house? I thought I read that somewhere.
June 13, 2010 @ 7:34 PM
Allan you would know Casca
Allan you would know Casca better than I do and I did not read the Nazi torture post either. Maybe he is having a bad day. I guess I should not bring up the USC punishment for NCAA rule violations. I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on if the punishment was appropriate or not. If that irritates him then I prefer not to be gut shot, stabbed, hanged, boiled in oil, keel hauled, buried in the desert with a honey facial or drowned. A firing squad is the only really cool death next to overdosing on chocolate and dying in your sleep.
June 13, 2010 @ 9:43 PM
Yeah, Ryan Leaf pretty much
Yeah, Ryan Leaf pretty much sucked. All of us Chargers fans know this, he just pretty much sucked. Big bust. We know it.
Russell made like $60M though. He got paid mega-bucks to suck. That’s the difference-maker in my mind. He’s a bigger bust. Didn’t Al Davis even overrule his coaches on drafting Russell? Senility, maybe?
June 13, 2010 @ 9:56 PM
gandalf wrote:Yeah, Ryan Leaf
[quote=gandalf]Yeah, Ryan Leaf pretty much sucked. All of us Chargers fans know this, he just pretty much sucked. Big bust. We know it.
Russell made like $60M though. He got paid mega-bucks to suck. That’s the difference-maker in my mind. He’s a bigger bust. Didn’t Al Davis even overrule his coaches on drafting Russell? Senility, maybe?[/quote]
Gandalf: Nah, its okay. I remember going to Raiders games as a kid (1970s) with my dad, and they were an amazing team to watch, especially when they played other smashmouth teams, like the Steelers. Football back then wasn’t as “polite” as it is now. I know players are bigger and stronger and faster, but football back in the day was brutal. Hell, playing in Pop Warner back in the 1970s was tougher than it is now. There weren’t as many rules and physical violence pretty much defined the game.
I think your comment about senility is spot on. The game has passed Davis by and we’re now seeing the final collapse of his reign. Beyond the Raiders, this is the guy that really made the NFL the media and marketing powerhouse it is today. Very, very sharp businessman and along with guys like Lamar Hunt made the NFL the multi-billion dollar business it is presently.
But, yeah, we really suck. Well, there’s always college ball and the Trojans. Oh, wait.
June 13, 2010 @ 9:57 PM
The Year Leaf was drafted
The Year Leaf was drafted there was serious debate over whether Peyton Manning or Ryan Leaf should be drafted first. The Chargers moved up one slot (fr0m #3 to #2) to get one or the other.
Russell was a bad personnel decision by a cranky old man, who has lost it.
As a former CHargers season ticket holder (Ryan Leaf’s rookie season was our last), I may be biased, but I think it’s pretty clear that Leaf was the more epic Fail.
June 14, 2010 @ 9:46 AM
FormerSanDiegan wrote:The
[quote=FormerSanDiegan]The Year Leaf was drafted there was serious debate over whether Peyton Manning or Ryan Leaf should be drafted first. The Chargers moved up one slot (fr0m #3 to #2) to get one or the other.
[/quote]
FSD: Not saying this to bust your chops, but can you imagine if the Chargers had drafted Manning instead? Damn. Talk about what might have been. I’ve watched literally dozens of games where Manning has virtually willed the Colts to victory. While I find his physical talents amazing, especially his ability to fit the ball into impossible places, its his mental toughness and incredible preparation that make him the player he is.
June 14, 2010 @ 12:46 AM
Allan from Fallbrook
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=LAAFTERHOURS]Did Leaf actually try? The LSU bum didnt really try or at least he didnt look like he tried.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6kK73wpGNM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apsjDl33JgQ long but some really bad passes.
This is funnier – Darius Heyward Bey shows his wheels but forgets to tackle the guy.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU8TeIxafXM%5B/quote%5D
What’s truly amazing is how far Al Davis has fallen when it comes to picking talent.
Back in the day (1960s, 1970s and into the 1980s), he was renowned for his ability to not only pick talent, but pick castoffs and misfits (think Ted “The Mad Stork” Hendricks, Alzado, Matuszak) and fold them into what was once the fearsome Raider machine.
Russell and Heyward-Bey are just two recent examples of how tone-deaf Al has become. And don’t even get started on the coaches. Oy vey.
Speaking of Ryan Leaf, didn’t he just get indicted and go to the big house? I thought I read that somewhere.[/quote]
The rise and fall of da Raiduhs correlates very well with the presence of one Ron Wolf.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Wolf
June 13, 2010 @ 12:17 PM
I heard he bought a house for
I heard he bought a house for his mom.
June 13, 2010 @ 2:01 PM
outtamojo wrote:I heard he
[quote=outtamojo]I heard he bought a house for his mom.[/quote]
LOL!! good one!