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Yeah its just like religion! It doesn't make much sense, but gosh darn it they strap you in, until you are 4'9"!
Josh

4'9"? I know a guy who married a girl who is "actually 4'10"". Does that mean they are gonna start looking to buy her a car seat too? Or are cops just gonna start pulling them over and pull out a tape measure?

The oral sex reference is the third rail, stay away from trying to start a panic there.

The car seat mania is just another "people for a perfect world" getting out of control. The 4 (years old) or 40 (lbs) was sufficient, but there were a few exceptions so they made it both (a 40lb 18 month old still needs a seat). At about 3 the bones harden and the skull is more stable, at about 40 lbs, most kids are big enough to fit properly in the vehicle mounted belts, but if they are built like a bowling ball, then it doesn't work. The vehicle has a lot to do with it, some have adjustable anchors so it can be lowered where the lap belt starts, the trick is not let the belt come accross the neck of the child, so if they are too short, they need a booster to position them into the belt, but on better or newer cars the belt can be positioned correctly and it is better than being in a booster with a static anchor. The problem is that the poor and the uneducated do most of the breeding so most kids ride in crappy cars and have parents that have limited reading skills for the complicated seat instructions. Nor will they pp into the local police station to have a technician check their seat installation.

A few years ago there were checkpoints in the barrios where the cops pulled over everyone with a carseat and had a technician install the seat properly, show the driver how to do it and give free seats to people using old, broken seats. The problem is that there was special interest outcry because they ended up towing so many of the cars which were unregistered or driven by unlicensed drivers. The probable cause was questionable yet they cannot let unlicsensed or uninsured drivers just drive off because they accept liability if that person hits someone down the road. Since the courts don't like the unfair catching of people breaking the law, their answer is more laws and more laws, in the end, the only people that will understand it and follow it, don't even need it and the target audience will be ignored. But the elected officials will feel good about themselves and the car seat industry will buy them trips to vegas and hookers, which is really what our legislature is for.

So Fredo,

You teach kindergarten?
Ex cons are allowed to drive schoolchildren?
Do you think bathrooms should also have signs about washing after (or before) oral sex?
Do you think 5'8" is too big for a car seat?
Couldn't all of these problems (like so many) be solved with duct tape?

My big one for the month...us Californians voted to give chickens room to move around (can't treat the chickens badly) and yet we parents don't have the right to know when our darling daughters being pulled out of school to have a secret abortion? Something is wrong with that! I am glad I have sons.

Hey wait a minute! What's so bad about me teaching kindergarten? I quit teaching when my children were born, but when I did teach I was the kids' favorite teacher bar none- so there Urban Realtor!

P.S. Speaking of duct tape- I did have a rainy day game called the silent monster game where I would draw fangs and teeth on masking tape (not duct tape-too hard to get off) for the kids to stick over their mouths. It worked like a charm keeping the kids quiet indoors and they loved it. There was also the inanimate object game- where you did an impression of a chair or table, etc. That one was not as popular.

uhhhh, ask? "So (insert daughters namer here), I have noticed that you seem troubled, is anything wrong?"

I mean comeon here. If your teenage daughter cant go to you with one of the most troubling events any teenager could ever have to deal with, do we really want a doctors note/call outa nowhere to be the notice? This law was defeated for teen protection from the terrible parents. The "honor killing" types who see no problem 'regaining their honor' by all the unhonorable means possible. No one wants teenage abortions, no one wants dead babies murdered by moms to scared to admit they are pregnant. And no one wants to put themselves between you and your kids.

But no one wants to find out that "instert female name here" died last week cause an irate parent "regained their honor" or that "insert male name here" got met with a 12gage rebuke from soon to be grandpa. These things happen, and this law would increase the incidences of this. Or perhaps most common/troubling of all, the "insert name" died after she decided to take a punch of pills to try to kill the fetus, or used a coat hanger incorrectly for the same purpose.

Id take my daughter (nope, no kids for me yet) going to a trusted and regulated health professional without my knowledge any day over the alternatives.

Pax! I thought everyone was sick of politics on this blog.

There was really no need to indicate that you don't have children, it was obvious be the rest of the post.

By age two kids are hiding things from their parents. They will shit their pants and if you ask them if they are poopy they will tell you "no".

It definitely can get worse as they near adolescence. Also, from what I remember as a teen, there were plenty of things my parents didn't know about what me and my siblings did (or at least that's what I thought).

LOL, bingo.

Not to belabor the point, but can our children get other elective outpatient surgeries without our consent ?

I think we should ban parental notification for children seeking nose jobs. There are mean parents out there who might make things right by an honor killing of their child that gets a nose job, because they have defiled the human body given to them by mother nature.

Also, while we are at it, we should allow children to be prescribed medication without their parent's consent. There are whack job parents out there who for religious or other reasons do not want their kids to have medicine. This will avoid parents harming their children and the negative effects of children self-medicating by sniffing glue or huffing toxic chemicals.

They can't get a tatoo or thier ears pierced until age 18 without consent, but they can get an abortion??? Where's the logic in that?

They can't get a tatoo or thier ears pierced until age 18 without consent, but they can get an abortion??? Where's the logic in that?

They can't get a tatoo or thier ears pierced until age 18 without consent, but they can get an abortion??? Where's the logic in that?

This law protects children who lives in homes where they are being abused - sexually, verbally, physically, etc.

If your parents are beating the crap out of you and you get pregnant, what do you think they are going to do when you tell them you are pregnant? Take your hand, give you a hug, and counsel you?

OK I give up. While we're on the subject of abortion, here's something I never knew before. It was always my impression that most abortions were performed while the embryo was just a ball of cells. Actually, you can't get an abortion until you are about two months into a pregnancy so that they can see what they're looking for before they remove it. Anyone here who has kids and has seen ultrasounds, knows how well developed a fetus is at two months. Pretty sad.

Ahh, yes, the lets not address anything important in the post and rather attack a moot point about "you obviously dont know anything". Good one, you sure got me.
I went back before posting and included that part about not having kids especially for this. Youd rather talk about poopy pants from a two year old or totally elective surgery for the totally vain than address the point that some teenagers face death or atleast extream physical or emotional violence from the passage of prop 4.

I have two baby neices. Id step in front of a bullet for either of them. I have spent vacations taking care of them sick, I was there when they were born. And yes, I have been there when I watched one break her sisters toy, and then tell me she didnt do it, with the toy at her feet. I am not their father, (their father is my only brother) but I am their uncle and it isnt hard to project them into this situtation or me into his (as their father). In either case, I would want them to talk to someone. Their parents, my parents, Me, My sister-in-laws parents, a counciler at school, a doctor, a teacher. Someone they feel that they can go to with a problem and get help. But I am not stupid enough to think that there are no broken homes out there. No children who cannot turn to their parents for anything but abuse and neglect. No teens who will make a mistake, and then compound it out of fear to the point that that mistake costs them their lives. Id much rather find out that my neice had an abortion without her family knowing then go home to a funeral. And yes, in all to many cases, that could be the outcome.

But apparently the fact I have not chosen to procrate yet makes this all moot.

Huh ?

What about all those children who are in abusive households who are not pregnant ?
How are we going to protect them.

My point is that their are laws to protect children from abuse. A child in an abusive household should seek protection from authorities or a trusted relative, whether or not they are pregnant.

The proposition that was defeated has nothing to do with abuse. That argument was simply a red herring argument to get your vote.

The proposition sought to provide parental notification in the case where minors sought a specific elective medical procedure.

The problem is that the type of specific medical procedure is one that incites extreme emotions from both sides.

Personally, I do not believe that minors under a certain age (we can argue whether it is 14, 16 or 18) should be able to obtain any elective medical procedure without parental consent.

Are there other non-emergency medical procedures that can be performed on minors without parental consent ?

Did you grow up in a home where there was abuse happening?

Let me tell you something, it can be happening right in front of the face of so called authorities, "trusted relatives", & neighbors, and continue for years.

Did you hear what you said?

When a child is being abused often they do not understand that any adult can help them. That is what abuse does, strips the child of trust or the ability to reach out for help.

http://www.childhelp.org/resources/learn...

Child Abuse Statistics in the USA

* An estimated 906,000 children are victims of abuse & neglect every year. The rate of victimization is 12.3 children per 1,000 children
* Children ages 0-3 are the most likely to experience abuse. About 1 in 50 U.S. infants are victims of nonfatal child abuse or neglect in a year, according to the first national study of the problem in that age group done by the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention along with The Federal Administration for Children and Families.1
* 1,500 children die every year from child abuse and neglect. That is just over 4 fatalities every day.
* 79% of the children killed are younger than 4.

Consequences of Child Abuse and Neglect in USA

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80% of young adults who had been abused met the diagnostic criteria for at least 1 psychiatric disorder at the age of 21 (including depression, anxiety, eating disorders, & post-traumatic stress disorder)
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Abused children are 25% more likely to experience teen pregnancy
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Children who experience child abuse & neglect are 59% more likely to be arrested as a juvenile, 28% more likely to be arrested as an adult, and 30% more likely to commit violent crime.
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14.4% of all men in prison in the United States were abused as children and 36.7% of all women in prison were abused as children
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Children who have been sexually abused are 2.5 times more likely develop alcohol abuse
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Children who have been sexually abused are 3.8 times more likely develop drug addictions
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Nearly 2/3’s of the people in treatment for drug abuse reported being abused as children

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/...

Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health
Volume 36, Number 3, May/June 2004
Teenage Pregnancy and Associated Risk Behaviors Among Sexually Abused Adolescents
By Elizabeth M. Saewyc, Lara Leanne Magee and Sandra E. Pettingell

CONTEXT: Previous research suggests a link between adolescent pregnancy and sexual abuse history, but most studies have used clinical samples of females only and single measures of abuse.

METHODS: Associations between pregnancy involvement, risk behaviors and sexual abuse were examined in sexually experienced teenagers from the Minnesota Student Surveys of 1992 (N=29,187) and 1998 (N=25,002). Chi-square tests assessed differences in pregnancy involvement and related risk behaviors among four groups of adolescents, categorized by type of abuse experienced: none, incest only, nonfamilial only or both. Odds ratios for pregnancy involvement and risk behaviors, adjusted for grade level and race, were calculated for each gender by using logistic regression analysis.

RESULTS: Sexual abuse was reported by 6% of males and 27% of females in 1992, and by 9% and 22% in 1998. Reports of pregnancy involvement were significantly more common among abused adolescents (13-26% of females and 22-61% of males, depending on type of abuse) than among nonabused adolescents (8-10%). Abused adolescents were more likely than others to report risk behaviors, and teenagers reporting both abuse types had the highest odds of pregnancy involvement and risk behaviors. The differential in the odds of pregnancy involvement and most behaviors was larger between nonabused and abused males than between nonabused and abused females.

CONCLUSIONS: Teenage pregnancy risk is strongly linked to sexual abuse, especially for males and those who have experienced both incest and nonfamilial abuse. To further reduce the U.S. teenage pregnancy rate, the pregnancy prevention needs of these groups must be adequately addressed.

But apparently the fact I have not chosen to procrate yet makes this all moot.

That was not what I intended by my post. WRT the poopy pants argument, I was simply reacting to the notion of ... "So (insert daughters namer here), I have noticed that you seem troubled, is anything wrong?"

... totally elective surgery for the totally vain than address the point that some teenagers face death or atleast extream physical or emotional violence from the passage of prop 4.

As for vain elective surgeries that was just one example I could come up with. Please provide me a list of elective surgeries that minors should be able to receive without parental consent or notification in your ideal world.

There are plenty of teens who face violence in the household, regardless of Prop 4. Defeat of Prop 4 does not help them.

In fact by knowing that their abusive parents might be notified, that might be enough incentive to push these children to seek help.

The unfortunate truth is that we do not have a system in place that can effectively handle the needs of abused children.

Also, let me repeat, children who are abused have trust issues, huge ones, meaning they do not seek help because they do not trust adults

and I'll make sure to mention that the next time I talk with someone who was abused as a child, mention that they should have sought help for themselves. We will see how well that goes over.

Enorah. I agree with you 100% that we do not have a system in place to handle the needs of abused children. Nobody can deny that child abuse and neglect is a horrific problem in our society. That is exactly why it was used as a red herring to get people to defeat prop 4.

But, what makes you think that lack of parental notification improves the lives of those who are abused ?

I contend that defeat of prop 4 does nothing to protect our youth from abuse. I also contend that passage of prop 4 also would do nothing to protect our youth from abuse.

Parental notification will not turn a non-abusive household into an abusive one.

Abusive and violent people DO NOT NEED AN EXCUSE to be violent or abusive. An abusive person abuses their victim regardless.

Presuming that parental notification gives abusers an excuse to abuse their child is naive.

Enorah FSD makes some good points.

I was an abused kid. Sometimes,I think I should have asked to be put in foster homes more regularly . However,when I almost blew myself up lighting the FAU my dad was really worried about me. When a neighbor kids dad threatened me, my dad went to kick his ass. In other words, when I was in trouble the dude, who was mean as hell or neglectful in turns,otherwise, was on my side.

Letting a girl have an abortion secretly may do more harm than good. Suppose it really screws her up when her family might have actually rose to the occasion and helped her through the difficult time, one way or the other? Many do.

You just have the risk of the girl blaming her desire to have an abortion, out of shame, normal fear or whatever, on her parents. I can see having counselors in the case of claims of abuse helping the girl with her parents but helping her to avoid them is something I would never want.Just letting her have an abortion and dumping her back on the streets doesn't help anything with regards to abuse.The caring people may not wish to dump her back in the streets but hte abused girl has no patience for them or any other authority in most case and the result will be the same.
It just seem like who ever is sustaining this rule is playing God or something like that.

Honestly, I feel it is all awful.

I just do not want to take any potential lifelines away from anyone who needs help in that situation (the teen pregnancy one).

I am sorry to know you were abused, Rus. I was as well. I did not have the parental care that I needed in those extreme circumstances, like you did.

MANmom and Fred0 = Marion

I can't say I did really have any support either Enorah, but I might have gotten help in the case say I was involved in something significant. Besides, let's say the girl gets to notify an aunt or uncle, who is to say those people are really constructive entities in her life? This all happens to fast to make those decisions. I think I stick with notify the parents, give the girl the choice and protection if she needs is but there should be some requirement like that she become emancipated or something like that.
If things are that bad it should be required but in case they are not that bad or could be improved by parental involvement, she shouldn't have an easy way towards abortion in secrecy from the people who are likely the most important adults in her life.

Such a slippery slope, legislating this kind of stuff.

I reached for help three times from the age of 14 on and was turned away with no real help given, by professionals.

It did not end until I left home at 16 and said I was not returning until the perpetrator was gone (stepfather).

He was gone in a week.

That is what it took for my mother to wake up. I can not imagine having to go to her if I were pregnant back then. Truthfully, I could not go to her for much of anything. She was absent, gone, emotionally.

The circumstances in my home were minor compared to what I have heard from many other people in my work first in child abuse prevention and now as a healer.

That is flat out false

http://www.fwhc.org/qa/ab-early.htm

Abortion Question:
How early can I get an abortion?

Q: Is there is a waiting period before you can get an abortion? Do you have to be pregnant a few weeks or can it just be days after you find out you are pregnant?

R: Clinics and doctors vary on how soon you can get a first-trimester surgical abortion - usually it's 6 weeks after your last menstrual period (LMP). The Abortion Pill is an option earlier in pregnancy, as soon as pregnancy can be determined by ultrasound (sonogram). This webpage compares the two types of early abortion.