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June 23, 2014 at 6:10 AM #21146June 24, 2014 at 12:59 AM #775639CA renterParticipant
She was an arrogant, entitled, whiny bitch who should know better than to ever reach out, unexpectedly, and grab at a cop. Quite frankly, if she were a 20-something black male, she’d probably be in a lot worse shape.
How do you think the cop should know what she’s grabbing for? Do you know how many times a suspect will reach for a cop’s gun? That was an incredibly stupid move on her part.
To be sure, cops can be arrogant, power-hungry bastards, and I will never deny that. But in this case, the woman was clearly in the wrong, and I think he tried to handle it as well as he could.
June 24, 2014 at 6:27 AM #775641spdrunParticipantWhy didn’t the entitled brat just identify himself and show his badge as required by law? Was he too “good” to show his badge? And, BTW, being an arrogant, entitled, whiny bitch isn’t a crime. It’s something that public-facing employees have to deal with on a regular basis, without violence.
Just because a cop chose his profession doesn’t actually entitle him to protection from rudeness. Quite the contrary: if he can’t take it, he should quit and find another job that’s more suitable to his temperament.
Sounds like it was the meeting of two entitled, arrogant people, but as the public employee on the job, he should not have aggravated the situation. Lastly, if he really thought she was grabbing for his gun, he was a blithering idiot. 15 seconds later, he reached inside the car and bent over her to unbuckle her seatbelt — not a smart move if he actually thought that she was a threat.
June 24, 2014 at 6:51 AM #775643svelteParticipantShe actually ripped his yellow vest off on the left side. This wasn’t just a grabbing for his name tag.
Law enforcement has to be respected – that’s the only way a free society will work. This lady stepped over the bounds and he rightfully took action. He wasn’t overly rough on her. And I bet she’ll never grab an officer’s clothing again.
Police are given extra protection under the law because of their position. I agree with that. In return, they are held to higher standards. I agree with that too.
He had to draw the line somewhere and if I were in his shoes and someone ripped my vest, I would probably have done the same thing. The woman had already shown her propensity to get physical with the officer.
June 24, 2014 at 8:44 AM #775644spdrunParticipantNo, apparently his vest was un-velcroed, whether by his moving his arms or by her is unclear. No damage to clothing.
BTW – the relevant statute of battery doubles the possible sentence from 6 months to a year if a police officer is involved. But the definition of the crime is the same. “Unlawful force or violence.”
Would someone be charged for battery for grabbing a WalMart greeter’s nametag in the absence of any other injury? Doubt it. Why should a cop be a special snowflake when the definition of the crime is the same?
As far as cops being held to higher standards — HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA! In what alternate universe? I’ll believe it when the cops who beat that homeless man to death in Orange County assume their rightful seats in the San Quentin gas chamber. Or if Oscar Grant’s shooter were still rotting in prison rather than being released after a year.
And BTW, why do we still need so many traffic cops? Set reasonable speed limits (they should be limits, not lower limits!), say 70-80 mph on freeways, keeping local limits the same. Have randomly located mobile speed cameras set to 10 mph over the limit on freeways and major arterial roads, 5 mph over on residential streets. 10 sec video with known frame-rate to provide evidence in court as to the camera’s accuracy (or not). I for one welcome our robotic job-stealers.
As far as the cops that remain on traffic duty, don’t issue them with radar guns. Concentrating on speed is the easy way out. Rather, train them to keep their eyes on traffic and look for evidence of actual reckless and inattentive driving. Tailgating, weaving, texting, mechanical problems, disregarding pedestrians in crosswalks, etc. I’ve been on a highway where the person driving in front of me was weaving like a drunk. We passed a police car and the cop didn’t do a thing. Same with a truck with a flat tire shedding chunks of rubber one time.
Footage should be on a car camera to provide evidence in court, but discarded after a week for privacy if not used in a traffic stop.
June 24, 2014 at 9:12 AM #775649svelteParticipantOops. Forgot the rule someone on here taught me. “Don’t engage the crazies.”
My mistake. Stealth mode back on.
June 24, 2014 at 10:59 AM #775651spdrunParticipantNeither of them are likeable people, IMHO. Not condoning her actions, but I feel like someone had to play the big boy here, and nobody did.
“Crazy” was wasting an hour or more taking this no doubt irate woman down to the sheriff’s station, booking her, driving her to the county jail. All for something that could have been resolved by “my badge number is ###, my name is Officer —-. Are you finished yet, ma’am?” He broke your rule: he engaged the crazy instead of letting her rant till she’s tired of it and laughing about it over a beer later that day.
Better yet, replace the traffic cop with a camera issuing a ticket for 69 in a 50. She can rant to the mailman for all it’s worth. Use the police freed up for other things, like investigating non-traffic crimes. A friend had her home vandalized last year. Police couldn’t even be arsed to show up and take a report.
August 20, 2014 at 7:14 PM #777513spdrunParticipantAll charges dropped by the DA:
http://www.10news.com/news/san-marcos-woman-cleared-of-battery-resisting-arrest-07212014
Glad to see that being whiney and irritating isn’t a jail offense yet.
August 20, 2014 at 8:40 PM #777514EconProfParticipantIt appears she was rude and obnoxious, and the deputy was looking for an excuse to get revenge. A less macho officer would know how to defuse the situation. A lot of taxpayers money was wasted because these two deputies let their egos get in the way. Thank goodness for the cameras, they contradicted what the deputies claimed in their report.
August 26, 2014 at 2:04 PM #777673CascaParticipant“…Small-minded ex-military person brainwashed not to like people of Middle Eastern origin and a slightly obnoxious Arab lady would have made for a hypergolic mixture.”
You’re a special kind of asshole SPD. One suspects that cosmic forces will find a way to deal with you.
August 26, 2014 at 2:18 PM #777674spdrunParticipantApologize if misconstrued — I did NOT say that all ex-military people were small-minded or would act like this. Far from it.
But considering incidents like Abu Ghraib, there are some that did (with the blessing of higher authority until the dirt came out) and probably will. I’m not accusing him of torture either, but I do feel she was dehumanized by his actions.
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