Home › Forums › Other › OT: Discuss- The Porsche GT4 is a better car than a 911 and very close, if not better than a 911s
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February 20, 2015 at 12:05 AM #21417February 20, 2015 at 12:38 AM #783191anParticipant
I would think so… Mid engine > rear engine. Would be crazy if they have a Cayman Turbo S (911 Turbo S engine inside a GT4 body). That would be sick.
February 20, 2015 at 3:47 PM #783217TeCKis300ParticipantHonestly, I don’t think the answer can be distilled down to a simple ‘better’.
Each one has their strengths. Just like each of the 12++ variations of even the 911 (Carrera, Targa, Cabrio, S, 4, 4S, GTS, Turbo, Turbo S, GT2, GT3, RS) has its focus areas making it better suited for their specific target audiences.
The 911 is a better car in many way. Clearly better utility as a daily driver as it has +2 back seats. I use those everyday to drop off my kids at school. It’s a better more substantial GT style car as it has more standard features and a deeper option list.
I’ll give you that from a handling stand point, the Cayman/GT4 series has better idealistic handling/balance qualities. The 911 is a not a traditional handler in the classical sense with its extreme weight bias. Drivers even have to apply a distinctly different driving style for the 911.
The 911 rear engine style is not all negative and can be exploited, especially under race conditions. Because of the weight bias, it has better traction under acceleration with more weight over the rear powered axle, and better traction under braking with weight to all 4 wheels. In racing, passing is done more often under braking and acceleration than anywhere else, as the ideal handling line in curves is limited.
And of course the better packaging advantages of enabling rear seats in a rear engine car.
Still love the GT4 and Caymans though!
February 23, 2015 at 12:22 PM #783255CoronitaParticipantLol
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Thank you for contacting XXXX. My name is XXXXXXX, Internet Sales Manager, and I appreciate the opportunity to assist you with your request.In regards to your inquiry, we currently have a waiting list of about 42 people with hopes of purchasing a GT4. The reality is with Porsche only producing less than 500 of these vehicles it will be nearly impossible to fulfill the current demand we have. We are anticipating maybe getting 10-15. So at this time are not adding to our interest list but I will keep in touch should anything change.
February 23, 2015 at 1:10 PM #783256spdrunParticipantHasn’t this religious debate been going on since the 914 saw light of day?
February 23, 2015 at 2:42 PM #783263bobbyParticipantI’m on a couple of car boards. The word is some dealers will sell out their allotted cars. Some will not. If you really want one, call around.
[quote=flu]Lol
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Thank you for contacting XXXX. My name is XXXXXXX, Internet Sales Manager, and I appreciate the opportunity to assist you with your request.In regards to your inquiry, we currently have a waiting list of about 42 people with hopes of purchasing a GT4. The reality is with Porsche only producing less than 500 of these vehicles it will be nearly impossible to fulfill the current demand we have. We are anticipating maybe getting 10-15. So at this time are not adding to our interest list but I will keep in touch should anything change.
[/quote]February 23, 2015 at 3:19 PM #783264CoronitaParticipant[quote=bobby]I’m on a couple of car boards. The word is some dealers will sell out their allotted cars. Some will not. If you really want one, call around.
[quote=flu]Lol
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Thank you for contacting XXXX. My name is XXXXXXX, Internet Sales Manager, and I appreciate the opportunity to assist you with your request.In regards to your inquiry, we currently have a waiting list of about 42 people with hopes of purchasing a GT4. The reality is with Porsche only producing less than 500 of these vehicles it will be nearly impossible to fulfill the current demand we have. We are anticipating maybe getting 10-15. So at this time are not adding to our interest list but I will keep in touch should anything change.
[/quote][/quote]Just like real estate, I hate those multiple offer scenarios. I’ll pass.
February 23, 2015 at 4:16 PM #783265bobbyParticipantjust like RE, the hot property gets the higher price.
if I were you, get the Cayman GTS. almost the performance of GT4 and few buyers want this now due to GT4.
better yet, wait a few years, get a discount on the GT4. I did that for a car I didn’t want to pay full retail.[quote=flu][quote=bobby]I’m on a couple of car boards. The word is some dealers will sell out their allotted cars. Some will not. If you really want one, call around.
[quote=flu]Lol
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Thank you for contacting XXXX. My name is XXXXXXX, Internet Sales Manager, and I appreciate the opportunity to assist you with your request.In regards to your inquiry, we currently have a waiting list of about 42 people with hopes of purchasing a GT4. The reality is with Porsche only producing less than 500 of these vehicles it will be nearly impossible to fulfill the current demand we have. We are anticipating maybe getting 10-15. So at this time are not adding to our interest list but I will keep in touch should anything change.
[/quote][/quote]Just like real estate, I hate those multiple offer scenarios. I’ll pass.[/quote]
February 23, 2015 at 5:18 PM #783270TeCKis300ParticipantIf you want the GT4, I’d say get it now if at all possible, even if the Cayman GTS is a nice option.
Only because the GT4 has the potential to become collectible in status. It may never even get the price drop your hoping for to step in because of demand. Whereas the GTS won’t have that same cachet and the price differential in the used market may be much much greater than at new.
There’s enough demand that a production run of 500 won’t satisfy. I’m seeing quite a few people in the Porsche community that already have some nice Porsche 911 examples, jumping to get one. Not to replace what they have, but the GT4 is differentiated enough, notable enough, (and cheap enough) for it to almost be an impulse buy. A good buy/investment IMO at that.
February 23, 2015 at 7:05 PM #783276svelteParticipantSkip the Germans, go Italian.
February 23, 2015 at 7:15 PM #783277CoronitaParticipant[quote=svelte]Skip the Germans, go Italian.[/quote]
Can’t afford it, except maybe Fiat. Lol….
February 24, 2015 at 6:41 AM #783287svelteParticipant[quote=flu][quote=svelte]Skip the Germans, go Italian.[/quote]
Can’t afford it, except maybe Fiat. Lol….[/quote]
There are a few Italians on the US market now (other than Fiat) that are in the same price range as the Germans, with more to follow soon.
I was going to delineate them, but decided cars are a highly personal and emotional choice and I probably wouldn’t sway anyone anyway.
As for Fiat, I am overwhelmed at how many 500s have been sold here! My wife and I play a game whenever we get in the car called “Find the 500” and I swear that if we travel more than 5 miles, we see a 500 every time! It is amazing for a car that’s only been on our shores for a year or two.
Not sure why German cars don’t appeal to me, but Italian…those whisper my name…
February 24, 2015 at 10:43 PM #783319bobbyParticipantitalian cars are fun and all but they can be temperamental.
if you get one, get a second car. One never know when the car may decide to have a day off.February 27, 2015 at 7:32 AM #783347svelteParticipant[quote=bobby]italian cars are fun and all but they can be temperamental.
if you get one, get a second car. One never know when the car may decide to have a day off.[/quote]That’s definitely been the case in the past, but as with all cars they have come a long, long way in the last 20, and especially 10 years.
I bought a new Italian car last year and haven’t had any issues…about to take it in for its first service at the 12 month mark.
February 27, 2015 at 9:23 PM #783363CoronitaParticipant[quote=svelte][quote=bobby]italian cars are fun and all but they can be temperamental.
if you get one, get a second car. One never know when the car may decide to have a day off.[/quote]That’s definitely been the case in the past, but as with all cars they have come a long, long way in the last 20, and especially 10 years.
I bought a new Italian car last year and haven’t had any issues…about to take it in for its first service at the 12 month mark.[/quote]
So given that you said new car + affordable italian car.
My first guess is: Alfa.
My second guess is: Maserati -
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