OT: Lance

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Submitted by scaredyclassic on January 19, 2013 - 4:29pm

Lance's confession may make the history books. It seems very important to me, personally, and speaks volumes about our national character.

He is a quintessential winner. I mean, the guy is dogged, relentless, brutal, unstoppable, an athletically gifted freak of nature...

He's also just the biggest asshole conceivable. If he were fictional, it would be difficult to buy him. The gall -- suing people who are telling the truth about you into oblivion, using your money and power to squash them. Threatening, bullying and pushing anyone in your way into the dirt.

But really, deep down, in spite of all the fist-shaking, don't we all kind of in a way think, yeah, you know what -- Lance did what it took to stay on top. Maybe he went further than I would have, certainly he bent, broke and shat on the rules, he lied, he cheated, he hurt others without any thought for their welfare, and only concern for himself -- but on some level, I think we as a nation admire that.

Maybe the majority of us would agree he went too far, but the underlying desire -- to win, to not have concern for others to distract us from our ultimate victory, to prevail, to do whatever it takes to make it to the top ... those are all qualities most americans agree are the foundations of greatness...

I wish I were more like him...I wish i were that tough...that relentless...

and here are all those traits we would love to instill in our children, in all their glory, fully metastasized into its monstrous megaversion, all venal ego fed glory driven pure shameless 100% supremely litigious American asshole.

And i gotta admit, I kind of admire the guy's balls.

I mean, ball.

I loved and admired the guy, followed his entire career.

I was such a stupid ass fanboy I even bought your i realize now piece of shit book...filled with lies...

I can forgive everything but the meanness...although I may sue you for a refund on that book...i think there is a cause of action for fake memoirs...sue him in small claims court in temecula...maybe serve him at Livestrong?

He probably got the cancer from all the doping...the irony...the beauty...what a fucking American icon....

God bless you, Lance; you were beautiful and inspired me to ride harder.....may you rot in hell...

there is no lanceness in our house...no relentless pursuit, no drive to win, no lack of concern for others...we are all a bunch of non-winning philosophical slackers, concerned for cats and even spiders, not particularly driven to win, conent to curl up witha snack and a book and a cat.

we might need a bit of diluted lanceness in us...maybe he could dope us all with a bit of his essence...

Douchebag doesn't even begin to describe Lance...prick is too weak.

I think the word "lance" itself should mean supreme asshole, just like Santorum now means the frothy mix of feces and lubricant produced during anal sex, and i'm counting on you all to start using the world Lance" in common parlance to describe the biggest douchebag imaginable..

Submitted by earlyretirement on January 19, 2013 - 4:46pm.

I think the guy may be one of the biggest @ssholes imaginable. I know he inspired a lot of people but I assumed once ALL of the people he used to ride with all said he was using drugs that it was true. All those people didn't have any reason to lie.

The nerve of this guy to sue people when he knew they were telling the truth is very telling to the type of person he is.

I believe in karma and this guy will probably get his again and this time no one will feel sorry for this guy.

I don't really think you'd want to be more like him or do whatever it takes to "be on top". I hope this guy loses every dime he ever made.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on January 19, 2013 - 4:49pm.

i would like to be a winner.

Submitted by Hatfield on January 19, 2013 - 6:00pm.

Lance Armstrong is a douchebag. He seems to think the world owes him the opportunity to compete after all the shit that he's pulled.

I find it very telling that when talking about all the people he screwed over, he always uses the passive voice. He's sorry about the bad things that happened to other people, not the bad things he DID to other people. That's not remorse, that's just a prick with entitlement issues wanting to get back into the game.

It's very sad that anyone should feel the need to win that badly.

Submitted by Blogstar on January 19, 2013 - 6:35pm.

Excessive admiration for a person because they excel at any kind of "specialization" whether in sports, economics or painting, preaching or anything else is misplaced admiration. Should be saved for people who are obviously a more complete package even if they aren't excellent at anything. That's a philosophy too.

I hate image based pecking order games and Lance and his followers are nothing but proof of how stupid they are. So what if some people can do one thing better than most of us, that's often where it stops if you open your eyes.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on January 19, 2013 - 6:38pm.

But that's not it. It's not that he was merely better.

He was literally tough as nails.

Competitive is not enough to describe him.

He had that inner vital indescribable strength.

Lying in a hospital bed, close to death, cancer of the testicle his sponsors abandon him, he is nowhere , alone, skin and bones , weak, he crawls his way back to the top to spit in the face of the people who left him to die.

Guts. He had guts. It wasn't just that he was faster. It was that that motherfucker would not quit and could not be beat.

Indomitable.

Who wouldn't want some of that?

Submitted by Blogstar on January 19, 2013 - 7:14pm.

It seems like in Lance's case what made him what you like is what made him an asshole. Take my kids amazing 3rd grade teacher. She drives 45 minutes a day, one way, to handle a classroom of kids like very few people could or would. She faces an an abominable administration/system everyday. She's been doing it about 40 years. If she got cancer and made it back to work would she be as good as Lance? In my eyes shes would be better, even if Lance never doped. She does it without the prestige, without the money, and is a genuine and sincere human being.

Submitted by ltsdd on January 19, 2013 - 7:55pm.

He's the lowest of the lowest life form in my book. I could understand the competitiveness and the desire to have an edge (read cheat) over the competition. However, to use your power and fame to bully and to intentionally destroy other peoples' life and livelihood (a teammate of his for many years?) when you know you're in the wrong is not something that any decent human being would do - let alone an alleged "hero" in so many people's eyes.

This may sound cruel, but one has to wonder if his "cancer" was a also a lie and a fabrication. What are we supposed to believe after all these lies and deceits from him? Investigators familiar with the case have already said that he lied to Oprah's face regarding his assertion that he didn't dope in 2009 and 2010. Supposedly, his blood samples seem to indicate otherwise.

I think the guy out-conniving himself. This thing is going to blow up in his face big time. Karma is a bitch.

Submitted by SK in CV on January 19, 2013 - 8:00pm.

I have no idea why I should care about Lance Armstrong.

Submitted by flyer on January 19, 2013 - 9:06pm.

I give the man credit for staging a fight against a disease that any of us could face, and winning a battle many lose.

Other than that, everything else about him has been proven to be a myth, and on that basis, I have no respect for him.

At this point, I think most people wish he would stop wasting everyone's time trying to justify his lies, and simply disappear from public view.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on January 20, 2013 - 12:40am.

Blogstar wrote:
It seems like in Lance's case what made him what you like is what made him an asshole. Take my kids amazing 3rd grade teacher. She drives 45 minutes a day, one way, to handle a classroom of kids like very few people could or would. She faces an an abominable administration/system everyday. She's been doing it about 40 years. If she got cancer and made it back to work would she be as good as Lance? In my eyes shes would be better, even if Lance never doped. She does it without the prestige, without the money, and is a genuine and sincere human being.

Well... That's nice but... The world values athletic performance.

And there is great drama and beauty in bicycle racing.

And even 2nd place doesn't get you. $100 million empire.

Submitted by CA renter on January 20, 2013 - 2:50am.

Blogstar wrote:
Excessive admiration for a person because they excel at any kind of "specialization" whether in sports, economics or painting, preaching or anything else is misplaced admiration. Should be saved for people who are obviously a more complete package even if they aren't excellent at anything. That's a philosophy too.

I hate image based pecking order games and Lance and his followers are nothing but proof of how stupid they are. So what if some people can do one thing better than most of us, that's often where it stops if you open your eyes.

Great posts, Russ, both this and the one about your kid's teacher. Awesome.

Submitted by CA renter on January 20, 2013 - 3:05am.

squat300 wrote:
i would like to be a winner.

You're a much greater winner than Lance Armstrong. You seem to be a great family man who loves and supports his wife and kids, unlike Lance Armstrong. Based on your posts, I'm guessing you don't habitually lie, cheat, steal, and run over others in your quest to "win." You appreciate the little things in life and know how to value those closest to you.

You win, Lance loses. Big time.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on January 20, 2013 - 10:47am.

I changed my mind. I want the $ and glory

Submitted by CDMA ENG on January 20, 2013 - 11:28am.

The things that just burns me is how he ruined some many people in all of this.

Bonds, and the other doping d-bags robbed people indirectly. Lance destroyed people personally.

As I stated before I am an athestist but I would sure like for their to be a heaven and hell so people like Lance can sit there for a while!

CE

Submitted by outtamojo on January 20, 2013 - 1:00pm.

Ya know, Lance woulda made a great CEO in tech land, without having to know anything at all about tech.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on January 20, 2013 - 1:03pm.

im pretty sure financially he's still going to win. he's worth over $100 million he'll get the baddest ass lawyers who will continue to grind plaintiffs into a fine mealy powder till they collectively try to settle for pennies on the dollar, but they'll only get fractions of that,as he's protected all his wealth these years diversifying hiding stuffing and moving money around all over the world.

he will still come out on top money wise.

and karmically, since he has no human feeling, you cannot hurt him.

there is no karmic revenge.

lance wins again!

woo-hoo!

Submitted by paramount on January 20, 2013 - 1:24pm.

Lance is a predatory sociopath.

When will people learn to stop worshiping other humans: be they athletes, cops, fireman, soldiers, actors, musicians...whomever.

Put them on a pedestal and you know what happens....

Submitted by SK in CV on January 20, 2013 - 1:31pm.

paramount wrote:

When will people learn to stop worshiping other humans: be they athletes, cops, fireman, soldiers, actors, musicians...whomever.

Put them on a pedestal and you know what happens....

Yeah, I agree. It's fine to appreciate them for special skills or attributes. But they all get up in the morning and take a dump just like the rest of us. (if they're regular.)

Submitted by scaredyclassic on January 20, 2013 - 2:00pm.

Never.

Heroes.

Goes way back.

Quest. Hero admiration...May be ingrained in who we are.

Submitted by earlyretirement on January 20, 2013 - 2:49pm.

paramount wrote:
Lance is a predatory sociopath.

When will people learn to stop worshiping other humans: be they athletes, cops, fireman, soldiers, actors, musicians...whomever.

Put them on a pedestal and you know what happens....

I totally agree. As an entrepreneur, I used to really admire Steve Jobs. I guess not so much the guy but the mind and his relentless ability to create great products.

But then I would find out more about him and anyone that read his authorized biography by Walter Isaacson, knows how much of an @sshole Jobs really was. Even after he got cancer, he was a very bitter guy and continued to be a jerk to many people until the very end.

It was unbelievable what a jerk the guy was. Also, after reading it I wondered how many of the ideas were really his because he would often take credit for something that his employees would come up with.

I agree we really need to take a good look at who are "heroes" amongst us. Lance Armstrong certainly shouldn't be on anyone's hero list.

Submitted by CA renter on January 20, 2013 - 4:15pm.

All too often, those who are most successful are the ones who are particularly good about taking credit for the work of others (or stomping all over other equally hard-working/intelligent people in one way or another). I'd say that's probably one of their strongest traits.

Submitted by flyer on January 20, 2013 - 5:05pm.

squat300 wrote:
im pretty sure financially he's still going to win. he's worth over $100 million he'll get the baddest ass lawyers who will continue to grind plaintiffs into a fine mealy powder till they collectively try to settle for pennies on the dollar, but they'll only get fractions of that,as he's protected all his wealth these years diversifying hiding stuffing and moving money around all over the world.

he will still come out on top money wise.

and karmically, since he has no human feeling, you cannot hurt him.

there is no karmic revenge.

lance wins again!

woo-hoo!

Personally, I believe there is karmic, and many other forms of eternal "revenge," so enjoy it while you can, Lance.

Everyone has different beliefs about what happens after this world, but, personally, I wouldn't want to be riding his bike into the great forever.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on January 20, 2013 - 5:26pm.

Survival of the fittest.

I don't think the strongest of us survived for eons by being nice.

Now we are thoroughly domesticated.

Lance is still an animal.

I doubt there will be any revenge upon him, any more than there is upon a leopard or a jackal.

The only reason to be good is if it works for you here and now.

Clearly this is what worked for him.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on January 20, 2013 - 5:31pm.

Saw eva schloss ,, Anne franks stepsister and auschwitz survivor speak last night at riverside city college.

Everything's relative.

Lance is really a pretty gentle soul compared to the nazis.

Inverted Godwin law move.

Read abOut the actual Godwin in oddly normal, new book about raising a gay kid. He was a lawyer and the boyfriend of the authors now wife

Submitted by flyer on January 20, 2013 - 5:41pm.

squat, we all have different beliefs about how eternity will work out for each of us. I have friends who have strong spiritual beliefs as I do, and others who believe in nothing at all, and I respect all of them.

I can understand why some people hope there is "nothing," it's easier that way--no accountability. I'm sticking with what I believe to be true--to each his or her own.

Place your bets, and take your chances.

Submitted by sdduuuude on January 21, 2013 - 2:36am.

Yes, he is driven to be a winner.

Tell me, again, what exactly did he win ?

Submitted by scaredyclassic on January 21, 2013 - 9:01am.

flyer wrote:
squat, we all have different beliefs about how eternity will work out for each of us. I have friends who have strong spiritual beliefs as I do, and others who believe in nothing at all, and I respect all of them.

I can understand why some people hope there is "nothing," it's easier that way--no accountability. I'm sticking with what I believe to be true--to each his or her own.

Place your bets, and take your chances.

There is plenty accountability here on earth, day to day.

Of course, now that I am persuaded our existence is a computer program, there maybe accountability in the sense that our characters accrue points in future games. Perhaps a high score may count in future reset games

Submitted by CDMA ENG on January 21, 2013 - 10:32am.

sdduuuude wrote:
Yes, he is driven to be a winner.

Tell me, again, what exactly did he win ?

Some award the French give out for looking good in spandex...

You know the French...

CE

Submitted by desmond on January 21, 2013 - 1:50pm.

CA renter wrote:
squat300 wrote:
i would like to be a winner.

You're a much greater winner than Lance Armstrong. You seem to be a great family man who loves and supports his wife and kids, unlike Lance Armstrong. Based on your posts, I'm guessing you don't habitually lie, cheat, steal, and run over others in your quest to "win." You appreciate the little things in life and know how to value those closest to you.

You win, Lance loses. Big time.

Let's not go overboard with the praise,

"Douchebag doesn't even begin to describe Lance...prick is too weak.

I think the word "lance" itself should mean supreme asshole, just like Santorum now means the frothy mix of feces and lubricant produced during anal sex, and i'm counting on you all to start using the world Lance" in common parlance to describe the biggest douchebag imaginable.."

Not exactly "Family Man" material.

Submitted by flyer on January 21, 2013 - 4:43pm.

squat300 wrote:
flyer wrote:
squat, we all have different beliefs about how eternity will work out for each of us. I have friends who have strong spiritual beliefs as I do, and others who believe in nothing at all, and I respect all of them.

I can understand why some people hope there is "nothing," it's easier that way--no accountability. I'm sticking with what I believe to be true--to each his or her own.

Place your bets, and take your chances.

There is plenty accountability here on earth, day to day.

Of course, now that I am persuaded our existence is a computer program, there maybe accountability in the sense that our characters accrue points in future games. Perhaps a high score may count in future reset games

You never know, squat--you may be onto something. Guess we'll all find out after that last breath!

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