OT - Home Grown Terrorism

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Submitted by briansd1 on October 21, 2009 - 10:43pm

I guess we need to fight the terrorists at home also. Lots of nuts out there these days.

Gun-loving John Brek, 55, of Linden, N.J., was taken into custody after his co-workers reported a conversation they had at an airport coffee cart to authorities.

He was charged under state law with making terroristic threats against the president.

Brek is a Republican and a member of the National Rifle Association, his father told the Newark Star-Ledger.

A search of Brek's home turned up 43 firearms - although they all appeared to be registered weapons, officials said.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics...

Submitted by Casca on October 22, 2009 - 9:08am.

Yes, and many of them are in the administration.

Submitted by Arraya on October 22, 2009 - 11:36am.

Yup, here comes the rise of the American jihadists. As the economy deteriorates more and more will come out of the word work. I bet he thinks his cause is righteous.

Submitted by paramount on October 22, 2009 - 7:27pm.

Arraya wrote:
Yup, here comes the rise of the American jihadists. As the economy deteriorates more and more will come out of the word work. I bet he thinks his cause is righteous.

Do you believe everything you read?

Submitted by scaredycat on October 23, 2009 - 7:46am.

well, call em jihadists or whatever, but there could be a large mass of very disgruntled unemployed downt he pike.

Submitted by paramount on October 23, 2009 - 11:02am.

scaredycat wrote:
well, call em jihadists or whatever, but there could be a large mass of very disgruntled unemployed downt he pike.

Oh, so now if your unemployed your a terrorist of some sort.

Man, you elitists really are jerks...

Submitted by briansd1 on October 23, 2009 - 11:56am.

The disgruntled unemployed are those we need to worry about.

The neo-nazis and skinheads tend to come from among the ranks of the disgruntled unemployed.

Time will tell if the "socialist" krugman-esque bailout programs are successful at reviving the economy. If and when there is a big crash, the American jihadists will indeed come out in force.

Jihadism is all about economics and joblessness. Religion serves as a spark to light the fire. Misguided fervor then fuels the fire.

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on October 23, 2009 - 12:11pm.

paramount wrote:
scaredycat wrote:
well, call em jihadists or whatever, but there could be a large mass of very disgruntled unemployed downt he pike.

Oh, so now if your unemployed your a terrorist of some sort.

Man, you elitists really are jerks...

Paramount: I believe it goes much deeper than that. This is an Administration that won't abide dissent and seeks to marginalize and demonize its own citizens. Examples being the WH's attempts to ostracize Fox News and Pelosi's referring to average Americans who participated in the "Tea Parties" as "Nazis".

If you read the article carefully, it notes that Brek is a gun owner, but a LEGAL gun owner (a constitutionally protected right). However, in the context of the article and juxtaposed with his political affiliation (Republican) and his "terroristic threats" (which we're not privy to, and aren't shown in the article), Brek suddenly becomes a well armed, foaming at the mouth, reactionary right winger (and "enemy of the state").

All of this is very carefully orchestrated and done in such a way to chill free speech and muzzle dissent. Its also highly effective, so think carefully about what you say and do, because Big Brother is watching you.

Submitted by briansd1 on October 23, 2009 - 12:28pm.

The Republicans seem to have forgotten about preemption.

smoking gun = mushroom cloud.

smoking gun = dead president. Don't we want to prevent that? Perhaps some elements in our society don't want to prevent such an occurrence, but most of us do.

Submitted by SK in CV on October 23, 2009 - 12:41pm.

I just have to laugh at this one.

Allan from Fallbrook wrote:
Paramount: I believe it goes much deeper than that. This is an Administration that won't abide dissent and seeks to marginalize and demonize its own citizens. Examples being the WH's attempts to ostracize Fox News..

I suppose you were saying the same thing when the Bush White House accused NBC of deceitful editing and started their own war on NBC? Was the Bush White House trying to marginalize and demonize it's own citizens?

Submitted by briansd1 on October 23, 2009 - 1:13pm.

Allan from Fallbrook wrote:
Pelosi's referring to average Americans who participated in the "Tea Parties" as "Nazis".

I think that you have it backwards.

Aren't the Republicans comparing Obama to Hitler?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/1...

A Black Hitler. That's funny.

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on October 23, 2009 - 1:16pm.

SK in CV wrote:
I just have to laugh at this one.

Allan from Fallbrook wrote:
Paramount: I believe it goes much deeper than that. This is an Administration that won't abide dissent and seeks to marginalize and demonize its own citizens. Examples being the WH's attempts to ostracize Fox News..

I suppose you were saying the same thing when the Bush White House accused NBC of deceitful editing and started their own war on NBC? Was the Bush White House trying to marginalize and demonize it's own citizens?

SK: Yes, and emphatically so. The Bush Administration did more to erode our civil liberties and freedoms than nearly any administration before.

In fairness, however, the slide began in the 1950s and accelerated through the 1960s (Hoover's Cointelpro program) and 1970s (Carter's FISA), and includes expanded wiretapping and surveillance under Clinton.

Laugh all you want, pal, but we're all losers here. This shit doesn't know partisanship and both parties are freely complicit in the destruction.

Oh, and I didn't vote for Bush either time, so don't try and paint me with that brush.

Submitted by Casca on October 23, 2009 - 1:16pm.

briansd1 wrote:
The neo-nazis and skinheads tend to come from among the ranks of the disgruntled unemployed.

Really? I'd like to see the numbers on that.

briansd1 wrote:

Jihadism is all about economics and joblessness. Religion serves as a spark to light the fire. Misguided fervor then fuels the fire.

Ah, so those misguided souls who slashed flight attendants, and murderously flew their captives into the towers, murdering some 3000 innocents, simply did it because they didn't have jobs?

Brian, you are an unadulterated blithering buffoon.

Submitted by briansd1 on October 23, 2009 - 1:20pm.

Allan from Fallbrook wrote:

If you read the article carefully, it notes that Brek is a gun owner, but a LEGAL gun owner (a constitutionally protected right). However, in the context of the article and juxtaposed with his political affiliation (Republican) and his "terroristic threats" (which we're not privy to, and aren't shown in the article), Brek suddenly becomes a well armed, foaming at the mouth, reactionary right winger (and "enemy of the state").

I read the article again. It says:

Brek is a Republican and a member of the National Rifle Association, his father told the Newark Star-Ledger.

A search of Brek's home turned up 43 firearms - although they all appeared to be registered weapons, officials said.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics...

Submitted by briansd1 on October 23, 2009 - 1:36pm.

Casca, I said that misguided fervor fuels the fire.

Why do you think that our military under Bush began to rebuild the economy and infrastructure of Afghanistan?

Seems to me like nation-building is better that nation-destroying.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...

Submitted by jficquette on October 23, 2009 - 6:53pm.

briansd1 wrote:
The disgruntled unemployed are those we need to worry about.

The neo-nazis and skinheads tend to come from among the ranks of the disgruntled unemployed.

Time will tell if the "socialist" krugman-esque bailout programs are successful at reviving the economy. If and when there is a big crash, the American jihadists will indeed come out in force.

Jihadism is all about economics and joblessness. Religion serves as a spark to light the fire. Misguided fervor then fuels the fire.

Let me know when it gets like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNrLVmGUn7U

Submitted by Jim Jones on October 23, 2009 - 6:55pm.

I heard someone say today that the two parties were like WWF wrestlers in a fake drama perfectly scripted for the masses. Pick one good guy and pit them against the bad guy. Wash rinse repeat.

Submitted by bsrsharma on October 23, 2009 - 8:27pm.

He legally owns 43 firearms in his home and there is no problem with it? How does a security guard afford that many? He must have spent tens of thousands on his collection.

Submitted by mike92104 on October 23, 2009 - 8:51pm.

What is wrong with owning 43 firearms? He hasn't shot anyone.

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on October 23, 2009 - 10:07pm.

bsrsharma wrote:
He legally owns 43 firearms in his home and there is no problem with it? How does a security guard afford that many? He must have spent tens of thousands on his collection.

And? So what if he owns 43 guns? Growing up, we had a neighbor who taught American history at Stanford University and he owned over 300 guns, most of which were period pieces like Colt single action pistols and Winchester and Henry lever action rifles. I don't recall anyone having an issue with that.

This is the sort of nonsense that makes me grind my teeth. If one were to substitute "Hummel figurines" for "guns", there wouldn't be any sort of question at all. And don't start with that "but guns kill people" crap, either. This is a Constitutionally protected right we're talking about. Just because you don't like guns has nothing to do with the argument.

Submitted by paramount on October 23, 2009 - 10:37pm.

To me it's stories like this that provide proof that the mainstream media and the government conspire on cases such as this one.

The government and the mainstream media understand how to manipulate populist opinion and the average American; and that's where these cases start.

The government wants to get out front to try and manipulate public opinion on these cases.

How many 'average' citizens when reading a story in a typical newspaper about an arrest and/or charges almost automatically assume the person arrested/charged must be guilty?

Same thing goes for the average person sitting in a jury box.

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on October 24, 2009 - 6:54am.

paramount wrote:
To me it's stories like this that provide proof that the mainstream media and the government conspire on cases such as this one.

The government and the mainstream media understand how to manipulate populist opinion and the average American; and that's where these cases start.

The government wants to get out front to try and manipulate public opinion on these cases.

How many 'average' citizens when reading a story in a typical newspaper about an arrest and/or charges almost automatically assume the person arrested/charged must be guilty?

Same thing goes for the average person sitting in a jury box.

Paramount: Exactly. Along the lines of, "Well, if the police arrested him, they MUST have had a reason".

We're not told what these "terroristic threats" are, only that he made them. Then we're told he's a Republican and a member of the NRA, the implication being that he's a right wing wacko, but both organizations are perfectly legal to belong to. Lastly, we're told, horror of horrors!, that he owns 43 guns. Other than a vigorous exercise of his 2nd Amendment rights, he's violated no laws here, either.

However, the picture that has been painted is of a well armed, rabid fascist who's just itching to wreak havoc on his President and country.

Submitted by Arraya on October 24, 2009 - 8:44am.

Well, well well... As I suspected, quite a few terrorist sympathizers on this board. You are either with them are you are with the government. There is no in between. Surely, you don't want another Oklahoma City bombing, OR do you?

Submitted by paramount on October 24, 2009 - 9:15am.

Arraya wrote:
Well, well well... As I suspected, quite a few terrorist sympathizers on this board. You are either with them are you are with the government. There is no in between. Surely, you don't want another Oklahoma City bombing, OR do you?

Resist this fear mongering and tyranny!!!

Submitted by briansd1 on October 24, 2009 - 9:44am.

Arraya wrote:
Well, well well... As I suspected, quite a few terrorist sympathizers on this board. You are either with them are you are with the government. There is no in between. Surely, you don't want another Oklahoma City bombing, OR do you?

That was a good one here, Arraya ;) I like your sense of humor/irony at times. ;)

That's what I meant when I invoked the "smoking gun" line earlier.

Submitted by paramount on October 24, 2009 - 10:26am.

briansd1 wrote:
Arraya wrote:
Well, well well... As I suspected, quite a few terrorist sympathizers on this board. You are either with them are you are with the government. There is no in between. Surely, you don't want another Oklahoma City bombing, OR do you?

That was a good one here, Arraya ;) I like your sense of humor/irony at times. ;)

That's what I meant when I invoked the "smoking gun" line earlier.

Sense of humor? I think Arraya is a full on fascist per Godwin's Law!

Submitted by Arraya on October 24, 2009 - 10:49am.

Why do you hate America so much, Paramount?

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on October 24, 2009 - 1:15pm.

paramount wrote:
briansd1 wrote:
Arraya wrote:
Well, well well... As I suspected, quite a few terrorist sympathizers on this board. You are either with them are you are with the government. There is no in between. Surely, you don't want another Oklahoma City bombing, OR do you?

That was a good one here, Arraya ;) I like your sense of humor/irony at times. ;)

That's what I meant when I invoked the "smoking gun" line earlier.

Sense of humor? I think Arraya is a full on fascist per Godwin's Law!

Paramount: I can guarantee you, with no fear of contradiction, that Arraya is simply yanking your chain.

He is not a fascist and, in point of fact, is a much clearer thinker than most of the so-called "liberals" that populate this board.

I used to think he was a member of the Tin Foil Hat Brigade, but he isn't. While many of his views might seem reactionary or outlandish, they're unfortunately more accurate than not.

As his comment below shows, he's simply riffing on the current Administration's demonization program of those citizens with the temerity to speak up and speak out.

Submitted by scaredycat on October 24, 2009 - 2:05pm.

if there are few opportunities and little to gain by respecting society, wouldn't we kind of expect people to not have any real interest in integrating into it. criminality would run rampant, prisons would be built at record paces, we'd imprison more people than any country int he world per capita...oh wait...we're already there.

Submitted by paramount on October 25, 2009 - 4:17pm.

Arraya wrote:
Why do you hate America so much, Paramount?

What? Your question makes no sense and is out of context. Do you just go around asking people why they hate America?

Or is that what you do when you have nothing left to say?