OT- Are you elitist or down-to-earth All-American?

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Submitted by briansd1 on May 25, 2012 - 10:50am

Allan previously posted a link about snobbery.
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/arch...

The article got me thinking about what constitutes being elitist and out of touch with the real world.

Is a billionaire who's in the 1% and flies around on his private jet really connected to the people?

What about a college professor who studies social issues? Is he elitist because he thinks and reflects too much?

Is wanting the best schools for your kids snobbish? What about seeking the best neighborhood you can afford?

Is being thin like a Hollywood actor elitist? I consider that normal, but apparently the new normal is fat.

Are horse back-riding and wind sailing elitist sports? What about golf? Maybe baseball and soccer are more appropriate sports.

Is elitism how you conduct yourself, or the cost of the products you consume, or the size of your net-worth?

Submitted by flu on May 25, 2012 - 11:13am.

yes I am...

But so are you Brian, just in a different way. Before you deny it, just remember. Alcoholics are the first ones to deny they have a drinking problem.

imho an elistist is:
Feeling/impression/etc that you are somehow better than some other people and/or a reflection of your attitude toward others with different opinions/viewpoints that doesn't jive with your own belief system in thinking that somehow they are idiots/lesser capable/lesser "refined" than oneself.

Submitted by flu on May 25, 2012 - 11:14am.

flu wrote:
yes I am...

But so are you Brian, just in a different way. Before you deny it, just remember. Alcoholics are the first ones to deny they have a drinking problem.

imho an elistist is:
Feeling/impression/etc that you are somehow better than some other people and/or a reflection of your attitude toward others with different opinions/viewpoints that doesn't jive with your own belief system in thinking that somehow they are idiots/lesser capable/lesser "refined" than oneself.

Just ask yourself what you think about obese people, "conservatives", religious people, and women...And there's your answer.

Submitted by briansd1 on May 25, 2012 - 11:53am.

flu, the Lake Wobegon effect affects the majority of people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_su...

Does believing that your kids are cuter than other kids make you snobbish/elitist?

I wonder if it's possible to be elitist if you don't have the income that puts you in the statistical elite. Does the income data speak for itself or not?

Is elitism an illusory state of mind, or does it depend on a hard foundation of income, education, job, etc...

All interesting questions, huh?

btw, flu, I don't think that I'm "better" than women. I actually believe many women have it easier than most of us, men.

Conservatives and religious people base their views on faith and tradition; they have yet to show me the rational basis/data behind their views. I don't think that I'm "better" than them, just more rational.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on May 25, 2012 - 12:48pm.

I am absolutely unique, special and highly distinct, just like every other damn person on earth.

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on May 25, 2012 - 1:34pm.

squat250 wrote:
I am absolutely unique, special and highly distinct, just like every other damn person on earth.

Scaredy: Not only that, but you're capable of incredible feats of strength.

So you got that going for you...

Submitted by briansd1 on May 25, 2012 - 2:30pm.

squat250 wrote:
I am absolutely unique, special and highly distinct, just like every other damn person on earth.

Which brings up an another interesting question.

What is more important? Intense individualism or community? Are communities automatically enhanced by the relentless pursuit of individual benefits?

Submitted by desmond on May 25, 2012 - 2:46pm.

You can think to yourself and write all you want on a blog, it is when you are interacting with others that will determine if you are a snob or not. B ri gets his point accross on many things here, the one he highlights most often is the weight of others. But I seriously doubt that when B ri is out walking down the city streets in SD with elan, he makes anybody that is "overweight" feel as though they are "overweight". And flu, you are no snob, you go out of your way not to make people feel bad, even if you kinda want to.

Submitted by CDMA ENG on May 25, 2012 - 5:31pm.

Allan from Fallbrook wrote:
squat250 wrote:
I am absolutely unique, special and highly distinct, just like every other damn person on earth.

Scaredy: Not only that, but you're capable of incredible feats of strength.

So you got that going for you...

Isn't that cute... We are all snow flakes...

CE

Submitted by scaredyclassic on May 25, 2012 - 8:03pm.

I wouldnt say I'm better but I am definitely luckier.

I do think I'm better than most people in some very narrow areas.

For instance I took an aptitude test at a very expensive fancy national company through a grant in high school. I learned that my ability to file and sort is literally off the chart. I'm like an Einstein of filing abilities.

Perhaps I couldve been king of the post office.

It's very likely that my sorting abilities make yours look puny and pathetic. Maybe I am better than you all. You people probably can't alphabetize at computerlike speeds. Gosh. I am glad I am so gifted.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on May 25, 2012 - 8:55pm.

Aptitude co is called Johnson oconnor and they're still in business. 675-750 bucks. Can go find out if you're really better than others.

Submitted by urbanrealtor on May 25, 2012 - 9:13pm.

CDMA ENG wrote:
Allan from Fallbrook wrote:
squat250 wrote:
I am absolutely unique, special and highly distinct, just like every other damn person on earth.

Scaredy: Not only that, but you're capable of incredible feats of strength.

So you got that going for you...

Isn't that cute... We are all snow flakes...

CE


Is this the part where we sit around the festivus pole?

Submitted by bearishgurl on May 25, 2012 - 10:15pm.

squat250 wrote:
...It's very likely that my sorting abilities make yours look puny and pathetic. Maybe I am better than you all. You people probably can't alphabetize at computerlike speeds. Gosh. I am glad I am so gifted.

scaredy, you've met your match. I CAN, too! Even at this late date (I'm not dead, yet) ... must be a trait of longtime gubment workers, lol ....

Submitted by paramount on May 26, 2012 - 1:56am.

I think one of the strongest of all human desires is to feel superior to others.

And certainly 'snobbery' can be an outgrowth of that desire.

Marketers understand this concept very well.

Submitted by Blogstar on May 26, 2012 - 7:14am.

Neither and both.

Submitted by CDMA ENG on May 26, 2012 - 7:28am.

urbanrealtor wrote:
CDMA ENG wrote:
Allan from Fallbrook wrote:
squat250 wrote:
I am absolutely unique, special and highly distinct, just like every other damn person on earth.

Scaredy: Not only that, but you're capable of incredible feats of strength.

So you got that going for you...

Isn't that cute... We are all snow flakes...

CE


Is this the part where we sit around the festivus pole?

Yes! And dance with elan!

CE

Submitted by urbanrealtor on May 26, 2012 - 9:52am.

Okay......embarrassed...don't get the elan reference.

Submitted by CDMA ENG on May 26, 2012 - 1:06pm.

urbanrealtor wrote:
Okay......embarrassed...don't get the elan reference.

Sorry...

BrainSD... Kidding BrianSD... made a reference to walking with "elan" earlier... and now the bloggersphere is trying to use the term whenever possible...

CE

Submitted by blahblahblah on May 26, 2012 - 4:39pm.

If you guys want to be real elitists, you need to do it with élan and spell the damn word correctly. Also note that it should always be italicized as it is a foreign (in this case, French) word.

Submitted by flu on May 26, 2012 - 5:18pm.

CONCHO wrote:
If you guys want to be real elitists, you need to do it with élan and spell the damn word correctly. Also note that it should always be italicized as it is a foreign (in this case, French) word.

Congrats you are now an internet elitist......

A wise friend once said to me...

Maybe you don't have an inferiority complex. Maybe you just are inferior.....

Submitted by Blogstar on May 26, 2012 - 5:57pm.

What is a "down-to-earth All-American"? I think that one can only pretend at knowing what that means.

Submitted by Blogstar on May 26, 2012 - 6:03pm.

flu wrote:
CONCHO wrote:
If you guys want to be real elitists, you need to do it with élan and spell the damn word correctly. Also note that it should always be italicized as it is a foreign (in this case, French) word.

Congrats you are now an internet elitist......

A wise friend once said to me...

Maybe you don't have an inferiority complex. Maybe you just are inferior.....

Not everyone can pull off being an "elitist" and an internet darling, Flu.

Submitted by CDMA ENG on May 26, 2012 - 7:22pm.

CONCHO wrote:
If you guys want to be real elitists, you need to do it with élan and spell the damn word correctly. Also note that it should always be italicized as it is a foreign (in this case, French) word.

Because your a grammitical elitist...

And I lean to being a miss-spelling elitist!

See... We are all elitist in our own special way...

Like snow flakes!

CE

Submitted by briansd1 on May 28, 2012 - 1:45pm.

As much as I love the French and their culture, the beauty of American English is that we have a rich, adaptable, living language. Elan is an English word that was borrowed from the French. Once a word becomes an English word, it's our own to use as we wish.

If we were to stick to the original meaning, then the word entree, meaning principal dish, is being used incorrectly on all the restaurant menus in America.

BTW, I have new running shoes that help me walk with moxie and elan. Squat is right that barefoot is good, but barefoot is not really practical, except at home.

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on May 28, 2012 - 2:39pm.

briansd1 wrote:
As much as I love the French and their culture, the beauty of American English is that we have a rich, adaptable, living language. Elan is an English word that was borrowed from the French. Once a word becomes an English word, it's our own to use as we wish.

If we were to stick to the original meaning, then the word entree, meaning principal dish, is being used incorrectly on all the restaurant menus in America.

BTW, I have new running shoes that help me walk with moxie and elan. Squat is right that barefoot is good, but barefoot is not really practical, except at home.

Brian: My mom used to use the word "moxie." Great word and one that America needs to re-discover.

I think you should also agitate strongly for the return of "brio" and "panache" as well.

Submitted by briansd1 on May 28, 2012 - 7:25pm.

Allan from Fallbrook wrote:

Brian: My mom used to use the word "moxie." Great word and one that America needs to re-discover.

I learned it from one of your posts, Allan. Great all-American word.

Allan from Fallbrook wrote:

I think you should also agitate strongly for the return of "brio" and "panache" as well.

Also great words.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on May 28, 2012 - 9:06pm.

Spring is all leg nothing to do with shoes.

Shoes lie to us. They deceive us as to imPact and foot placement.

They hurt us.

Lately been using unshoes.

Unshoes are a custom cut 4 mm piece of vibram flexy rubber and a couple straps sewn in simple huarache style. Like a flip flop w a blackstrap.

U can feel the earth.

I despise running shoes. It's a big giant lie!!!!

Submitted by briansd1 on May 30, 2012 - 12:38pm.

Open toe shoes are not appropriate wear most of the time.

I think that I'm a dress code elitist. I'm not a fan of sloppy wear or the just-got-out-of-bed look.

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on May 30, 2012 - 1:46pm.

briansd1 wrote:
Open toe shoes are not appropriate wear most of the time.

I think that I'm a dress code elitist. I'm not a fan of sloppy wear or the just-got-out-of-bed look.

Brian: Whaaaaaat? No cuffs. No pleats. No bracer buttons. Dude, c'mon! You're running around in "incomplete" trousers and claiming elitism? Let's get you into proper attire and THEN you can claim elitism. Photograph yourself in a Savile Row bespoke suit and then you can be elitist to your heart's content.

I've got professional friends in the banking and finance industry that consider uncuffed flat front pants (they won't call them "trousers") with a belt completely gauche.

It's all a matter of perspective and locale (San Diego isn't really known as being the height of fashion.)

Of course, I only put on a suit when absolutely necessary. Otherwise, it's shorts, running shoes and a polo shirt. We do live in SoCal for a reason.

Submitted by briansd1 on May 30, 2012 - 3:26pm.

Good point Allan. It's all a question of perspective. I would wear running shoes with jeans and a sport jacket and i'd feel over dressed next to someone in flip flops, shorts and t shirt.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on May 30, 2012 - 8:49pm.

for one week I say let's change the rules so that hands must be in leather gloves at all times and feet must be bare.

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