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Dr. Mitchell is a bit of a loon.

Among his other hobbies are paranormal and psychic studies, and he believes he was remotely cured of cancer by a teenage psychic named Adam Dreamhealer (note: he was never definitively diagnosed with cancer in the first place).

Read "Dark Mission - The Secret History of NASA"

They have been lying to us since the beginning

And we pay them $15 billion per year for their lies

And they don't let the public have access to any of the raw data that our tax dollars are paying to collect - all we get are the sanitized reports that they choose to release

SDEngineer - whether intentionally or not, you are practicing an ages old technique - when you can't disprove what someone is saying, discredit them with unrelated info

It's true! And George W. is a reptilian shape shifter! See for yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=740n6N3Vn...

Just kidding! :D

I once enthusiastically went for a speech by James Irwin who was an Apollo 15 moon walker. I was hoping to listen to some first hand experience. Instead, he preached (a rather weak) evangelizing sermon on how he found God (and Jesus) while standing on the moon and seeing the earth (big blue ball etc.,).

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.ht...

4plex:

Considering the only "evidence" that they bring forth is their own testimony, it's ENTIRELY relevent to look at the credibility of those witnesses, and, frankly, people who habitually wear tinfoil hats don't have much credibility in my eyes.

The burden of proof is on them - not me. I simply point out that a skeptical person is not likely to attach much credibility to the testimony of someone who clearly believes in a great many notions which are far outside of the scientific mainstream.

Go over the to the ocean around 3.30 am during Santa Ana conditions and just watch the sky. Look Northwest about 11 o'clock.

They are military and fly out of Vanderberg. I say military because ET's wouldn't travel light years to do hook slides and doughnuts in our atmosphere.

I watched 3 ships doing maneuverers until my neck hurt one morning.

Whatever these things are they don't obey the laws of physics as we claim to understand them.

We already have the technology to make fossil fuels obsolete. My guess is that the technology is easily weaponized and that is one reason we don't let it out, not to mention what it would do to the economy.

John

They don't let anyone go to the moon. If he was the slightest bit nutty it would have come out in his pysch evaluations and he would have never gone on Apollo 14.

John

Sorry I'm so late to this thread - couldn't find my hat and I was out of foil. Had to make a new one from scraps in the freezer. I hope it holds up.

Somehow I knew 4plexowner would be here.

If you believe in remote psychic healing, you are a little bit nutty. Dr. Mitchell clearly believes in remote psychic healing and testifies on it. Case closed. Clearly NASA blew it on this one, but I suspect psychological screening wasn't nearly as good or as accurate in the 60's as it is today.

Sad. While Veteran Astronaut claims alien visits makes a great news headline, the most likely truth-- 77-year-old suffers from dementia, is victimized by con artists-- is somewhat more "human".

The closest solar system to our own is over 100 light-years away. Do people think an alien species evolved, developed the technology capable of crossing that gap, and traveled 100 light years to visit a bunch of superstitious, destructive monkeys? The aliens came to give us technology?

This should clear things up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a15KgyXBX24

Well, truthfully, the closest star is only 4.3 LY away, and there are thousands of stars in the 50-60LY radius sphere which our radio transmissions possibly could have been picked up in (given very advanced technology, and an alien species which cared about discovering neanderthals).

The closest planetary system we know of is only 10.5 LY away, but given that at our level of technology we can only discover planets that are both massive and very close in to the star itself, that's not saying much (our own solar system, for example, would be undetectable to us at our current technology).

That being said, I agree with the spirit of your post. It's very very unlikely that an alien species has visited the Earth for several simple reasons:
1) only a tiny fraction of the galaxy could have noticed us yet, since we only began pumping out radio waves a half century ago, and it's simply unlikely that if anyone is out there, they've noticed us yet.

2) Any alien species with the technological capacity for travelling between stars is so incredibly advanced from us that we'd only notice them if they WANTED us to notice them. We are, after all, not talking about a LITTLE technological gap here - we're talking about a species which is so advanced that they can bridge the enormous gulf between stars just to say "Hi" to a bunch of neanderthals (do you think Christopher Columbus would have come all the way to the new world just to talk to some apes?). Moreover, unless they were INCREDIBLY lucky enough that their civilization started off in the incredibly tiny region of the galaxy which could theoretically have heard our radio transmissions, we're talking about a civilization advanced enough to monitor a good chunk of the galaxy. This isn't a Hawaiians vs. Captain Cook gap we're talking about here. This is a 2 year old with a rubber sword against a stealth bomber with a 50MT nuke technological gap here.

3) How likely is it that, given 1 & 2 above, that an alien species would be noticed by the US Government and covered up successfully? If the US Government noticed them, it's because they wanted to be noticed - and if they wanted to be noticed, chances are we'd all know about them by now. Sorry, but I don't give any credibility to the idea that the aliens are in cahoots with the US Government to prevent global panic (if that was the case, why even let the US Government notice them in the first place?) Besides, while I'm sure there would be a lot of initial shock, I doubt there'd be worldwide hysteria about it.

With all that said, it is still certainly possible that technologically advanced aliens do visit - but I consider it unlikely, and as long as the main evidence that is trotted out for this theory consists of testimony from tinfoil hat type folks, I'm unlikely to change my opinion much.

Yeah, the screening today is so good, that they even let Lisa Nowak go to space, hahaha!
You know the one that crossed county in a diaper, lol!!!!!

Thanks SDE. I was just throwing out 100 light years to say "it's far". Alpha Centauri is 4.35 light years away but according to what I just read nobody knows whether there are planets there... While a sun is the center of a solar system what I meant was a system with planets.

Anyhoo with the rest of your post I think we are in agreement. Did you watch the monkeys vid???

I think that, like many religions, people believe in things they cannot disprove. I choose to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster but haven't decided whether his noodly holiness is an alien or not. I just have to have faith.

SDEngineer - have you ever considered the vast capabilities of the human mind that are as-yet undiscovered / unresearched?

The average human is using 10% of his brain - what's up with the other 90%?

Uri Geller?

pre-cognition?

To dismiss the para-normal (only called that because we don't understand it yet) out-of-hand is rather small-minded IMO

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have to recharge my hat now ...

Not true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_brain

Check out the "common misconceptions" part... They even mention that the common misconception that we only use 10% of our brain is "perpetuated by new-age medicine proponents".

That 90% thing also makes great Hollywood film plots!

It is a myth that you only use 10% of your brain. You use the entire thing, just not all at the same time.

http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10pe...

While we don't know how the entire thing works (yet), if such paranormal activities were possible, I think we'd see FAR better evidence than currently exists for them (which consists almost entirely of testimonials by folks - like Dr. Mitchell - who have a history of being credulous, and which cannot be reproduced under any sort of controlled conditions).

Uri Geller is a magician, no different from David Copperfield, except that Uri keeps his persona on at all times, whereas offstage, Copperfield acknowledges he's doing tricks. Uri has had his act blown several times by skeptics (including famously by Johnny Carson). However, the credulity of his audience allows him to continue to rake in the bucks.

My biggest question is always "WHY?" Why would aliens travel many many light years to come to earth.

1) They are Indepence Day type aliens bent on takeing Earth's resources.
Now we dont anything especially valueable here on earth your couldnt find other places just as easily. But I guess that holds true the other way around, why not Earths resources.... So ok. But why hide it? Why not just wipe us off like ants and move on. Secrecy and stealth take time, and what the hell for? You came all this way, peal your peach and get on with it.

2) They are benevelent aliens like the Vulcans.
Now even the vulcans didnt get involved till we were warp capable. We still burn small chains of carbon molecules as our main form of transportation. Even by our standards the internal combustion engine is old, being first used just before the turn of the last century. (ie 1890's)So they in their goodness hide themselves from us and keep useless, aging politicans who routinly abuse their people in power out of the goodness of their heart?

3) We have something on them, Ala dirty pics of a zorkinosh in some place it shouldn't be.
Who the hell cares? We cant show them to anyone, so what are we gonna do? Broadcast them to space and hope someone sees them (mind you they dont know to be looking), or give us your vastly superior technology? This is the equilivant of a mouse holding an elephant hostage because it has a pic of who took all the peanuts. Squish, probelm solved.

4) They are in a war and need our help. (Ala startrek)
What the hell do we have to offer them? Spitwads? We could send people, you know, extra ground troops, but we cant support our military operation here on Earth right now. And even if we could, wouldnt that require massive amounts of people, and reveal the plan? If we are offering them people, why are we only offering them a few people? This is war.

5) We are being culled and the gov is in collusion to keep it underwraps as we are a food source. (Ie wrathe in Stargate atlantas)
creepy. I guess this would work, all the people dissapearing and never being heard from again are really the main dish. The reported "probing" is really more like a turkey baster, but they were rotten for some reason or another, and returned. This in a sick way makes sense, and the Gov would go along to make sure it wasnt any of their kids being culled. (damn, pass the tin foil hat) But then again, why not just take your fill and leave? Why worry about how your food feels about being food?

6) They are researchers, and study us like field biologists study kangaroo rat colonies in Austrailia. (southpark)

So they are benevelent and interested in "violent supersticious monkeys" with no real useful technology. Now we are more akin to their pets, or maybe we are really just as interstellar "mirkat mannor". This I could see. They obviously would have to be scientific, inquisitive, and exploratory to build the ships and all the necessary tech to get here. It would explain why they dont take anything or show themselves. Why not study us? We go to Antartica to study Penguin populations. Next time you are behind closed doors, doing something to your significant other just think "Smile, you are on intersteller TV!"

I agree with SDE, however, you also have to consider that no one would have imagined, even as short as 10 years ago, that we'd be socializing online, carrying on discussions about the housing market in a virtual space interfaced by a tiny computer in our pocket that, by the way, also allows us to speak to each other via invisible airwaves without cords. All the things we take for granted today were unthinkable even a generation ago. Moore's law just keeps on truckin' and it's showing no signs of slowing down. Even the most hardcore science fiction authors can't conceive what kind of technologies we'll be seeing 10, 20, 50 years from now.

So while the odds are seemingly impossible, I'm not quite ready to rule anything out just yet.

No, didn't watch the monkeys video. Generally can't view outside videos from here (blocked by the cybersniffer on our web access).

I prefer the Invisible Pink Unicorn myself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_P...

Why? For the same reason we as humans have a fascination with -- and are looking for -- life on other planets. Why look for life on Mars? Because we're curious beings. Oh, and because we can.

If a guy like Dr. Mitchell believes in it maybe you should not dismiss it out of hand.

John

SDEngineer:

The universe is 13-20 billion years old depending on who you ask.

Earth has been here 5 billion.

That gives us 8-15 billion years of missing time.

Within 100 to 200 years mainstream science will know how to get to the stars so consider a race 1000 years ahead of us, or 1 million years ahead. It would be probably impossible for them to miss us since we probably stand out like a sore thumb.

Here, this the most comphrehensive presentation that I have found on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk

John

See, that thought process is flawed. Lets say there are aliens exploring the universe. We as highly narcassistic humans in assuming that aliens are like us is an inherent flaw. Why do you think that they are curious just because we are? Why do people project images of aliens that look humanoid? Why do they want to study us just because we study other creatures? Why would they want our resources just because we can't seem to get enough of our own? If there are aliens out there, what are the chances that they are anything like us primates (not monkeys ;D)? Really the mythology of extraterrestrial beings coming to our tiny little planet Earth is just a projection of our own narcassistic need to feel important in this big universe of ours. It's entertaining, but highly unlikely.

Nostra - I liked the video, it was very good.

DWCAP--Nice wrapup. Those in my generation (BB) are probably all familiar with the Twilight Zone episode where the aliens came down and got a bunch of people to go back to their planet with them. And it turns out...they had a cookbook for "serving mankind"! Good thing about those particular aliens, tho, was they were about 9 feet tall, hideously ugly, and obvious as hell. If they had the smarts to get here, why didn't they try to blend in better? Still one of my favorite campy episodes. And it cracks my 20-year-old up.

As I pointed out above, I don't consider it an impossibility, I simply consider it very unlikely that an alien race has visited us, was discovered by the US Government, which has subsequently covered it up for decades.

The technological gap - as I noted before, and you alluded to - implied by relatively common long distance interstellar travel is simply so enormous (in terms of relative advancement, not temporally - a race 1000 years in advance of us from our current era of development is FAR more advanced than for example we are in comparison to our medieval counterparts of a thousand years ago) that chance discovery simply would be so unlikely as to be practically impossible. And a planned contact with just one government is almost equally unlikely, as I don't see any possible reason for an alien civilization to reveal itself to a human government far in advance of when they would plan to reveal themselves to the entire human civilization.

And it would be their choice - any race that far in advance of us would treat us as superstitious primitives (and rightly so). Why would they consult with one of our primitive governments, and hide themselves from all other human beings, any more than we would sneak into a aboriginal village in Papua New Guinea, and ask the local elders advice about whether we should hide from the other natives?

If a LOT of scientists with reputations as being strong scientific method types who apply rigorous skepticism to their work and others' believed in it, then I'd probably buy in that perhaps there was something to it.

One guy believing in it who has a degree, a background as being an astronaut over 30 years ago, and a reputation among scientists as being more than a bit of a crank doesn't have the same impact.

Search on Remote Viewing and see what you find.

Scientists have about the biggest ego's of any profession. People like to think that they are open minded, adventurous and are constantly stretching the envelope etc. Far from it. They are mostly concerning with keeping their job and not rocking the boat.

John

Haven't you ever watched Star Trek?? Come on. Get real (g)

Seriously, the evidence is all over the place and the best way to hide a secret is out in the open.

Have you notice how many UFO shows are on A&E, History Channel, Science Channel etc. How you noticed how often they run that movie Indepedence Day? The public is gradually being introduced to the idea of ET's.

There is no point in the ET's introducing themselves to the world at large. It would only make it more difficult to do whatever they are doing.

My father who is still alive had a top secret crytographic clearance at Maxwell AFB in Montgomery in the early, mid 60's. One of his duties was to encrypt/decrypt sensitive cables.

I asked him about UFO's a couple of years ago and he told me flat out that "quite a few pilots" were killed by UFO's that they were chasing. He knew this because of the information in the cables. The next of kin were told that they died in training missions.

Have you wondered why we cancelled the last three Apollo missions? The offical story was lack of funds but I don't buy that. My guess is that they found something there that had to be keep secret so they shut it down..

Have you ever wondered why now, all of a sudden, China, Russia, India and the US are all going back to the Moon? Why now and what for??

As far as hiding themselves from us they don't do a very good job of it.

One last comment on radio communications. We have had the radio since 1902 when Marconi demonstrated the first transatlantic transmission.

This means that any radio waves from another civilization would have had to pass by in the last few decades when we would have heard it.

My guess is that local civilizations thousands of years ahead of us quit using radio so long ago that there is nothing for us to hear and the ones still using radio have not gotten here yet or have and the government has covered it up.

John

John, why do you assume "aliens" even use radio waves for communication? You are projecting human attributes, again being ego-centric about beliefs of alien beings secretly watching or in some kind of conspiracy with the US government. Are you also saying that all those cable channels are in cahoots with the government to slowly introduce E.T to us Americans? You better stay away from that black oil ;)

Listen, I wouldn't be surprised if there is life somewhere in our universe. In all probability there is another planet out there that has the conditions to jumpstart and maintain life. However, when I hear people talk about aliens with humanlike attributes, all I can think of is projection and wishfull thinking that our alien mythology is in fact true.

I don't assume they use radio. I doubt they do. But they must communicate. Even my two cats talk to each other (g).

Communication is not uniquely human. Dolphins have a very sophiscated language as do Whales.

Actually, honestly, I don't see the big deal about ET's. The Universe must be teeming with life or else we wouldn't be here so I would expect other life forms to have visited.

John