Newsweek ranks top public high schools

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Submitted by UCGal on June 21, 2009 - 9:11am

Newsweek ranked the top 1500 or so public high schools in the U.S.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/201160/?s=Cal...

Local results:
Pruess Charter School - #10
San Diego HS for Int'l Studies - #60
Westview - #181
San Pasqual - #192
San Dieguito - #225
La Jolla - #243
Torrey Pines - #263
La Costa Canyon - #294
UC High School - #298
Serra - #305
Mira Mesa - #345
El Camino HS - #365
Coronado - #386
Scripps Ranch - #411
Henry #486
Point Loma - #513
Bonita Vista - #549
SD Creative and Performing Arts - #587
Rancho Bernardo - #598

(Those were the ones from the first 100, sorted by California...)

The ranking was done by taking the ratio of AP/IB tests over the # of graduating students.

Submitted by AN on June 21, 2009 - 9:24am.

What? MMHS ranked higher than Coronado, Scripps, and RB? Wow, that's definitely surprising to say the least. The best we can do in SD is Westview @181? That's pretty sad.

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on June 21, 2009 - 10:02am.

The problem with the results is the methodology used to calculate them.

My understanding is that other criteria, such as dropout rate, GPA per student/class, etc were not taken into account.

Rather the ranking simply looked at the number of Advanced Placement (AP) and Int'l Baccalaureate (IB) participants per school and divided that into the number of students in the school.

Seems like a pretty narrowly defined criterion.

Submitted by UCGal on June 21, 2009 - 10:04am.

AN wrote:
What? MMHS ranked higher than Coronado, Scripps, and RB? Wow, that's definitely surprising to say the least. The best we can do in SD is Westview @181? That's pretty sad.

Preuss was #10 and one of the 4 schools at SDHS's campus was #60.

But I was surprised by the rankings also. To see University City HS so close to Torrey Pines HS was a shocker to me.

Submitted by UCGal on June 21, 2009 - 10:05am.

Allan from Fallbrook wrote:
The problem with the results is the methodology used to calculate them.

My understanding is that other criteria, such as dropout rate, GPA per student/class, etc were not taken into account.

Rather the ranking simply looked at the number of Advanced Placement (AP) and Int'l Baccalaureate (IB) participants per school and divided that into the number of students in the school.

Seems like a pretty narrowly defined criterion.

I agree that the methodology is less than perfect. But it's the same methodology that newsweek has used for years. It's a data point... among many data points.

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on June 21, 2009 - 10:23am.

UCGal wrote:
Allan from Fallbrook wrote:
The problem with the results is the methodology used to calculate them.

My understanding is that other criteria, such as dropout rate, GPA per student/class, etc were not taken into account.

Rather the ranking simply looked at the number of Advanced Placement (AP) and Int'l Baccalaureate (IB) participants per school and divided that into the number of students in the school.

Seems like a pretty narrowly defined criterion.

UCGal: I went to school up in the SF/Bay Area (in Mountain View) and I was shocked to see some admitted "middling" performers in the top rankings, such as Mountain View HS, Los Altos HS and Monta Vista. Schools such as Gunn (Palo Alto) and Cupertino definitely belong there, but some of the schools mentioned are no great shakes, especially in the college prep department.

Gunn has been a feeder school for Stanford University for years and I know that Los Altos HS (which is a few miles distant from Gunn) struggles to place even a few students in Stanford, instead sending the bulk on to Cal State programs (and no knock on CSU schools, I went to one).

I agree with the data points assessment, but some data points are more meaningful than others.

I agree that the methodology is less than perfect. But it's the same methodology that newsweek has used for years. It's a data point... among many data points.

Submitted by waiting for bottom on June 21, 2009 - 10:28am.

You forgot San Marcos High at 494!

Submitted by ocrenter on June 21, 2009 - 10:54am.

waiting for bottom wrote:
You forgot San Marcos High at 494!

and Carlsbad is only at 712.

Submitted by ocrenter on June 21, 2009 - 10:57am.

btw, Hawthorne beats out Beverly Hills, Santa Monica, Palos Verdes, and Irvine's Uni.

Hawthorne is the place to be!

Submitted by AN on June 21, 2009 - 11:14am.

UCGal wrote:
AN wrote:
What? MMHS ranked higher than Coronado, Scripps, and RB? Wow, that's definitely surprising to say the least. The best we can do in SD is Westview @181? That's pretty sad.

Preuss was #10 and one of the 4 schools at SDHS's campus was #60.

But I was surprised by the rankings also. To see University City HS so close to Torrey Pines HS was a shocker to me.


Preuss is a low income only school, and only if you're the smartest of the bunch too. So, it's not a fair comparison. Same with SDHS, it's not the whole SDHS but only a portion of SDHS.

Submitted by Eugene on June 21, 2009 - 2:43pm.

Preuss is near the top, because they have lots of mandatory AP classes (ergo, large number of AP exams per student, which is Newsweek's only criterion). Low incomes and smartness are irrelevant.

Quote:
Gunn has been a feeder school for Stanford University for years and I know that Los Altos HS (which is a few miles distant from Gunn) struggles to place even a few students in Stanford, instead sending the bulk on to Cal State programs (and no knock on CSU schools, I went to one).

I'm not sure what you mean by saying that Gunn is a "feeder" for Stanford. Stanford is a hard-to-get-into, expensive private university. If Gunn sends more students to Stanford than does Los Altos, there are other possible reasons (maybe parents of Gunn students are richer and more likely to afford the university?)

Los Altos sends 20% of students of its graduating class, on average, to UC universities. Gunn sends 25%, Monta Vista sends 30%. In San Diego, Torrey Pines is the best in this aspect, it also sends ~20%.

Submitted by PadreBrian on June 21, 2009 - 3:16pm.

I call bullsheit. Weird methodology.

Submitted by capeman on June 21, 2009 - 6:12pm.

Wow! San Pasqual ahead of Torrey Pines. I call BS on that one too but GO SP!

Submitted by lostkitty on June 22, 2009 - 9:15am.

This report has nothing to do with how well the CA schools are educating their students. it merely counts the percentage of kids taking the AP/IB etc. They do not even have to pass. They are no longer even chosen to be in AP by the school - the parents choose.
Dont let those numbers fool you.
This report is more about equal opportunity than anything else and should be viewed as that.... They are reporting which schools are most inclusionary in their toughest classes. It is a worthy idea, but in no way does this report have anything to do with successful schools and which are producing high achievers.

Submitted by paramount on June 22, 2009 - 9:17pm.

I'd bet my last 10 cents that the only reason someone would post this is because either their kids have or currently do attend one of the schools.

Submitted by PadreBrian on June 22, 2009 - 9:52pm.

Every year it's the same with Newsweek's list. Next year Compton HS could pay 100%(which is fine and dandy with Newsweek, see the FAQ) and get 90% of their students to the test and they could be #1 in 2010. Ridiculous. No basis in reality.

Submitted by UCGal on June 23, 2009 - 6:31am.

paramount wrote:
I'd bet my last 10 cents that the only reason someone would post this is because either their kids have or currently do attend one of the schools.

I posted this. My kids do not (yet) go to any of these schools. They're in grade school.

But, yes, I'm interested in school issues. And some without kids might not be.

Submitted by scaredycat on June 23, 2009 - 6:42am.

gaming the system for numbers ina school rating used to be limited to colleges and grad schools i think. that even high schools have to care about this is weird. i basically told the counselor at school my kid would be ina aprticular AP class, and so it was. now i guess i better make sure he does ok.

Submitted by scaredycat on June 23, 2009 - 6:42am.

gaming the system for numbers ina school rating used to be limited to colleges and grad schools i think. that even high schools have to care about this is weird. i basically told the counselor at school my kid would be ina aprticular AP class, and so it was. now i guess i better make sure he does ok.