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LOL. If you liked the Fed Bailout 1.0, you'll love Fed Bailout 2.0-BetaUser Forum Topic
Submitted by fat_lazy_union_... on September 30, 2008 - 7:29pm
Bailout 1.0: $700billion loan to Wall Street from taxpayers. That left many folks thinking WTF? Ok...Now that got shotdown...You knew Congress would go back and redo a Bailout bill. You thought, ok maybe some will cave to the Republicans and try to shrink the bailout size down by half, or so. Afterall, the Rep's were concerned about overextending the reach of the government and dipping too much into the taxpayer's pockets. So we should see a smaller bailout package in the 2.0 version right??? WRONG!!!!!!! Bailout 2.0 Beta: $700billion loan to Wall Street from taxpayers PLUS adding tax cuts!!!! For those of you still dumbfounded, yes that translates to spend more money you don't have AND collect less money to not make up the difference. If you haven't said WTF to 1.0, you probably should be saying WTF WTF WTF WTF WTF for 2.0...... LOL. Anyway, looks like long positions in the stock market is gonna be ok for this sucker's rally if god forbid Bailout 2.0 passes. Where we're going to get the money to pay for this, who the hell knows... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081001/ap_o... WASHINGTON - In a bold bid to revive President Bush's multibillion-dollar financial rescue plan, Senate leaders scheduled a vote for Wednesday night on a version of the bill that adds substantial tax cuts meant to appeal to Republicans when it reaches the House. The goal is to net at least 12 more House votes than the rescue proposal received Monday, when lawmakers rocked the political and financial worlds by rejecting it. The gambit is certain to anger some conservative House Democrats, who object to tax cuts that are not offset with spending cuts. But Senate strategists assume it will gain more House votes than it will lose. If so, Congress would be poised to pass landmark legislation giving the government billions of dollars to buy deeply discounted mortgage-backed securities that are choking off credit and roiling the markets. The strategy is risky because some House members might see it as a high-handed move by senators. Senate passage of a bailout measure has seemed assured all along. The showdown is in the House, but now the Senate is trying to force the House's hand. Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., called it "a brilliant move" that will "help pick up votes on both sides of the aisle." House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's reaction was much cooler. "The Senate has made a decision about how to proceed and what can pass that body," the California Democrat said. "The Senate will vote tomorrow night, and the Congress will work its will." The new approach, announced Tuesday night by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., would tack large and contentious tax measures to the bailout bill. Senate leaders figure the House will have to approve it because the tax cuts are too appealing to Republicans and the financial rescue plan will still seem essential to most Democrats. The Senate approach uses big, game-changing amendments. House leaders earlier were considering the smallest possible tweaks to the bill in hopes of picking up 12 more votes. The Senate bill would raise federal deposit insurance limits to $250,000 from $100,000, as called for presidential nominees Barack Obama and John McCain only hours earlier. House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, praised the move, but many Democrats had signaled approval as well. McCain, Obama and Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware, the Democratic vice presidential nominee, signaled plans to return to Washington for the Wednesday night vote. If Obama and Biden vote for the measure, it would make it more difficult for Pelosi and other Democrats to reject or change the Senate measure. The Senate measure will graft the bailout language to a tax bill it approved last week, on a 93-2 vote. It includes: a provision to prevent more than 20 million middle-class taxpayers from feeling the bite of the alternative minimum tax, $8 billion in tax relief for those hit by natural disasters in the Midwest, Texas and Louisiana and some $78 billion in renewable energy incentives and extensions of expiring tax breaks. In a compromise worked out with Republicans, the bill does not pay for the AMT and disaster provisions but does have revenue offsets for part of the energy and extension measures. That wasn't enough earlier this year for the House, which insisted that there be complete offsets for the energy and extension part of the package. The Senate move seems aimed at forcing the House into accepting the deficit-financed tax cuts. The surprise move capped a day in which supporters of the imperiled economic rescue fought to bring it back to life, courting reluctant lawmakers with a variety of other sweeteners including the plan to reassure Americans their bank deposits are safe. Wall Street, at least, regained hope. The Dow Jones industrials rose 485 points, one day after a record 778-point plunge following the House vote. Amid Tuesday's negotiations, Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. chairman Sheila Bair asked Congress for temporary authority to raise the limit on deposits by an unspecified amount. That could help ease a crisis of confidence in the banking system, Bair said. She said the overwhelming majority of banks remain sound but an increase in the cap would help ease a crisis of confidence in the banking system as well as encourage banks to begin more lending. Monday's House vote was a stinging setback to leaders of both parties and to Bush. The administration's proposal, still the heart of the legislation under consideration, would allow the government to buy bad mortgages and other deficient assets held by troubled financial institutions. If successful, advocates of the plan believe, that would help lift a major weight off the already sputtering national economy. Bush renewed his efforts to save the bailout plan Tuesday, speaking with McCain and Obama and making another statement from the White House. "Congress must act," he declared. Though stock prices rose, more attention was on credit markets. A key rate that banks charge each other shot higher, further evidence of a tightening of credit availability. The rescue package was Topic A on the presidential campaign trail. "The first thing I would do is say, 'Let's not call it a bailout. Let's call it a rescue,'" McCain told CNN. He said, "Americans are frightened right now" and political leaders must give them an immediate solution and a longer-term approach to the problem. Obama issued a statement saying that significantly increasing federal deposit insurance would help small businesses and make the U.S. banking system more secure as well as restore public confidence.
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Did I mention I thought this was fvcking nuts?
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Bailout 2.0 Beta: $700billion loan to Wall Street from taxpayers PLUS adding tax cuts!!!!
as far as I understand, they are merely inserting the bailout language into a different tax break bill (H.R. 6049) that already passed House and Senate.
some $78 billion in renewable energy incentives and extensions of expiring tax breaks.
I knew it sounded familiar ... That's the bill that gives $5000 tax credits to buyers of Aptera, among other things.
Did I mention that both parties are in Wall Street's pocket book? If not, I think the efforts of the Dems to collaborate with Bush et al is perfect evidence of that, notwithstanding a few holdouts. Just remember that a bill will be passed, you will pay, and that Congress, Bush and Paulson (ex GS person that he is) will continue to carry water for wall street. Nothing new that our Congress is in service of the wealthy wall street bankers to the expense of taxpayers, which will continue until it is time to wake up folks....
The tax break/refund/benefit is nothing more than bribery of the American taxpayer.
This will pass tommorow, Hank Paulson will be praised as a hero that saved the world from meltdown and there will be a 500pt climb in the DOW on Thursday.
Every sw person knows you don't buy the .0 version of any package. You wait for the bug fixes in Bailout 2.1
Maybe I just don't know anything about legislation anymore but if it doesn't pass in the House then it's dead, right?
So, why is any form of the bailout at all going to the Senate?
So, why is any form of the bailout at all going to the Senate?
I'm not an expert, but here's my understanding.
Any bill has to pass the House, then the Senate. The Senate can take a bill that was passed by the House and approve it as is. Alternatively, the Senate can make amendments and vote on an amended version, but then they have to send the amended version back to the House for their approval.
So, what's happening is that the Senate is planning to take a bill that was already passed by the House and add bailout code as an amendment.
Unbelievable. It was pretty cool when a whole bunch of smart people joined together through the power of the Internet and were able to stop this thing. Now it looks like Congress has actually come up with a worse bill. Another poster called me cynical the other day, but even I wasn't cynical enough to think that stopping the original bailout would lead to something worse.
This is disheartening. Our own government has taken something great and turned it into something evil.
My new strategy is to just vote out all the incumbents. If I'm really feeling crazy I might write in Ron Paul. Both major parties are full of asshats.
I couldn't agree with you more. There's one 3-word solution to the mess we're in:
END THE FED!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdRA04iIFtI
Agree, The Breeze. Ron Paul is pretty kooky in many ways, but he gets the economic issues better than any other representative I've ever heard.
Since Obama wants to save the FBs and McCain wants to spread "democracy" around the world via war; I can't see any other option but to write in Ron Paul. He may win this election after all.
Also, remember that we need to get rid of all legislators -- Republicans and Democrats -- who try to waste taxpayer's money on rescuing fraudsters and speculators.
Good point, CA Renter. There is plenty of blame to go around and many members of BOTH major parties are at fault. At least you'd be able to sleep at night knowing you voted your conscience.
Remember, the House's rejection of the bill was not by a wide margin. I sense we'll see which politicians are really looking after the People after the Senate approves the "modified" bill and the House then approves it as well.
I cannot understand why anyone who talks about being fiscally responsible can possibly look forward to an all Democrat government AND not be concerned about how much a 1-party dominated government is gonna wreak havoc for the U.S. of A. Nothing against democrats, really. I voted for clinton and voted against bush twice. But that was to try to keep a Rep dominated government from doing drastic things.
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The problem is that all the really drastic action being taken is being taken in a BI-partisan mannor. Think about it. Bailout is Bush's baby but being born by democrats. Iraq war would never have happened if it were not for democrats voting for it. Deregulation (started in the depression to make sure it didnt happen again, HA!) that got us here was purchased by wall street from BOTH parties.
For a two party system to work properly one party needs to be an actual function different choice than the other. This is just no longer the case.
FLU: You're absolutely correct. This IS crazy!!!
But, that's not going to stop these idiots from doing it.