It aint over until the fat lady sings...sort of...

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Submitted by flu on September 25, 2008 - 10:21pm

Looks like we're getting some pushback in Congress afterall.

Oh, the markets are going to look ugly tomorrow....

Wow, and the wamu implosion.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080926/financial...

Amid GOP revolt, bailout deal breaks down

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A Republican rebellion stalled government efforts Thursday to avoid economic meltdown, a chaotic turnaround that disrupted the choreography of an extraordinary White House meeting meant to show joint resolve from the president, the political parties and the presidential candidates. Instead, the summit broke up so bitterly that Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson got on one knee before Democratic leaders in a theatrical attempt to salvage talks.

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After six days of bare-knuckled negotiations on the $700 billion financial industry bailout proposed by the Bush administration, with Wall Street tottering and presidential politics intruding six weeks before the election, there was far more confusion than clarity.

An apparent breakthrough was announced with fanfare at midday by key members of Congress from both parties -- but not top leaders. Wall Street cautiously showed its pleasure, with the Dow Jones industrials closing 196 points higher.

But the good news and the market close were followed by a rash of less-positive developments.

Washington Mutual Inc. was seized by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. in the largest failure ever of a U.S. bank, after which JPMorgan Chase & Co. Inc. came to its rescue by buying the thrift's banking assets.

And the late-afternoon White House gathering of President Bush, presidential contenders John McCain and Barack Obama, and top congressional leaders turned into what one person in the room described as "a full-throated discussion" and McCain's campaign called "a contentious shouting match."

Conservatives were in revolt over the astonishing price tag of the proposal and the hand of government that it would place on private markets.

Sen. Richard Shelby of Alabama, the top Republican on the Senate Banking Committee, emerged from the White House meeting to say the announced agreement "is, obviously, no agreement." McCain's campaign issued a statement saying, "the plan that has been put forth by the administration does not enjoy the confidence of the American people as it will not protect the taxpayers and will sacrifice Main Street in favor of Wall Street." The White House, too, acknowledged there was no deal, only progress.

Meanwhile a group of House GOP lawmakers circulated an alternative that would put much less focus on a government takeover of failing institutions' sour assets. This proposal would have the government provide insurance to companies that agree to hold frozen assets, rather than have the U.S. purchase the assets.

Inside the White House session, House Republican leader John Boehner announced his concerns about the emerging plan and asked that the conservatives' alternative be considered, said people from both parties who were briefed on the exchange.

Financial Services Chairman Barney Frank, the feisty Democrat who has been leading negotiations with Paulson, reacted angrily, saying Republicans had waited until the last moment to present their proposal.

McCain, who dramatically announced Wednesday that he was suspending his campaign to deal with the economic crisis, stayed silent for most of the session and spoke only briefly to voice general principles for a rescue plan.

After the session, Paulson, hoping to prevent any chance for agreement from being torpedoed, pleaded with Democratic leaders not to publicly disclose how poorly the session had gone, said three people familiar with the episode. Frank and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi responded angrily, and Paulson, in an attempt to lighten the mood, got down on one knee, said the sources who spoke on condition of anonymity, like the others, because the conversations were private.

Weary congressional negotiators then resumed working with Paulson into the night in an effort to revive or rework the proposal that Bush said must be quickly approved by Congress to stave off "a long and painful recession." They gave up after 10 p.m. EDT, more than an hour after the lone House Republican involved, Rep. Spencer Bachus of Alabama, left the room.

Talks were to resume Friday morning on the effort to bail out failing financial institutions and restart the flow of credit that has begun to starve the national economy.

The Bush administration plan's centerpiece remained for the government to buy the toxic, mortgage-based assets of shaky financial institutions in a bid to keep them from going under and setting off a cascade of ruinous events, including wiped-out retirement savings, rising home foreclosures, closed businesses and lost jobs.

The earlier bipartisan accord establishing principles and important details would have given the Bush administration just a fraction of the money it wanted up front, subjecting half the $700 billion total to a congressional veto. The treasury secretary would get $250 billion immediately and could have an additional $100 billion if he certified it was needed, an approach designed to give lawmakers a stronger hand in controlling the unprecedented rescue.

The Bush administration had already agreed to several concessions based on demands from the right and left, including that the government take equity in companies helped by the bailout and put rules in place to limit excessive compensation of their executives, according to a draft of the outline obtained by The Associated Press.

Democrat Obama and Republican McCain, who have both sought to distance themselves from the unpopular Bush, sat down with the president at the White House for the hourlong afternoon session that was striking in this brutally partisan season. By also including Congress' Democratic and Republican leaders, the meeting gathered nearly all Washington's political power structure at one long table in a small West Wing room.

"All of us around the table ... know we've got to get something done as quickly as possible," Bush declared optimistically at the start of the meeting. Obama and McCain were at distant ends of the oval table, not even in each other's sight lines. Bush, playing host in the middle, was flanked by Congress' two Democratic leaders, Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.

But neither Bush, McCain nor Obama have been deeply involved so far in this week's scramble to hammer out a package. The meeting was intended more to provide bipartisan political cover for lawmakers to support a plan in the face of an angry public and their own re-election bids in six weeks.

At day's end, Frank said he told Paulson "this whole thing is at risk if the president can't get members of his own party to participate."

Layered over the White House meeting was a complicated web of potential political benefits and consequences for both presidential candidates.

McCain hoped voters would believe that he rose above politics to wade into nitty-gritty and ultimately successful dealmaking at a time of urgent crisis, but he risked being seen instead as either overly impulsive or politically craven, or both. Obama saw a chance to appear presidential and fit for duty but was also caught off guard strategically by McCain's surprising campaign gamble.

Associated Press writers Deb Riechmann, Martin Crutsinger, Christopher Wills and Beth Fouhy in Washington and researcher Judy Ausuebel in New York contributed to this story.

Submitted by DWCAP on September 26, 2008 - 12:05am.

Guess maybe all the people screaming their heads off did atleast get heard. I have a feeling the Cramdown of this will come this weekend, when everyone is distracted and all the pols can go home saying "I fought for you, and You, and you, and you.........."

Just curious but does this have a natural expiration date? The markets were melting down, Gov stepped in with a few takeovers and some promises, and then doesnt follow the time line. Do markets go back to melting down no matter what the GOV does in a few weeks if nothing is passed soon?

Submitted by Ex-SD on September 26, 2008 - 5:46am.

DWCAP wrote: "Do markets go back to melting down no matter what the GOV does in a few weeks if nothing is passed soon?"

Yep, I believe that they will. We would see a short term surge but then it's going to crash. This bailout is a crock of crap. It's not going to be the end of the world if they don't bail out Wall Street and the banks. If they're that weak, let 'em fail and let the strong survive. They need to raise the limits on FDIC insurance and that will give the public confidence in the banks that survive.

Submitted by stockstradr on September 26, 2008 - 10:14am.

Watching our senators and representatives do the news conferences over the last two days....YES you hear them comment on how scared they are by HOW MANY of their consituants are AGAINST the Wall St. Bailout.

Our calls/fax/emails are having an impact, especially with the Republicans in the House who have brought this bailout to a standstill. Hooray for them.

Keep calling/faxing/emailing your politicians ESPECIALLY in the House which is where this banking matter has to go through first. Let's stop this stupid bailout idea cold right in the House.

Submitted by stockstradr on September 26, 2008 - 10:15am.

Watching our senators and representatives do the news conferences over the last two days....YES you hear them comment on how scared they are by HOW MANY of their consituants are AGAINST the Wall St. Bailout.

Our calls/fax/emails are having an impact, especially with the Republicans in the House who have brought this bailout to a standstill. Hooray for them.

Keep calling/faxing/emailing your politicians ESPECIALLY in the House which is where this banking matter has to go through first. Let's stop this stupid bailout idea cold right in the House.

Submitted by stockstradr on September 26, 2008 - 10:15am.

Watching our senators and representatives do the news conferences over the last two days....YES you hear them comment on how scared they are by HOW MANY of their consituants are AGAINST the Wall St. Bailout.

Our calls/fax/emails are having an impact, especially with the Republicans in the House who have brought this bailout to a standstill. Hooray for them.

Keep calling/faxing/emailing your politicians ESPECIALLY in the House which is where this banking matter has to go through first. Let's stop this stupid bailout idea cold right in the House.

Submitted by Aecetia on September 27, 2008 - 3:50pm.

I agree. I heard that Feinstein received 50K calls, e-mails, etc. I just sent another half a dozen today. I have been e-mailing both sides and not just my representatives. I believe you are 100% correct about their fear. They already have low ratings. This bailout smells and they know it and they know they have to be on the right side of this. It is already being attacked as the Bush Bailout, so maybe that will be reason enough to defeat it.