Help dealing with troublesome neighbors

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Submitted by cdesilva44 on April 28, 2010 - 1:49pm

I purchased a townhouse on the East side of Mira Mesa almost two years ago. It's a decent neighborhood with mostly good people, but one neighbor in particular has caused a lot of problems for us.

The residents of the house in question are a single mother and her two teenage sons. The mother is rarely home, and the teens are left alone to find all sorts of trouble to get into. They regularly have very shady people over to the house, and openly sell drugs out of the back door. They cause disturbances late at night and generally make everyone around them uncomfortable in their own homes. The police are at the house at least once a week, but nothing ever seems to change.

Last night it all came to a crescendo when there was a home invasion robbery and kidnapping at the house. The troublemaking teenagers apparently ripped off the wrong people in a drug deal, and the guys came to the house with guns and a tire iron to get their money back. A friend of one of the teens was dragged into a car at gunpoint and kidnapped. He was dumped on the side of the freeway, still alive, 3 hours later.

I had a long talk with one of the police officers on the scene last night, and I was further assured that not much will be done about the situation. He even referred to the problems caused by the teens as "not really a big deal," and insisted on referring to them as victims who's illegal behavior was not much of a concern. I replied that the real victims are the neighbors who deal with this garbage on a daily basis.

Obviously I'm very frustrated with the situation and will no longer sit back and allow this to continue. I would like to find out if the current residents are the renters or the owners. Hopefully they are renting and I can contact the owners about the matter. The HOA has been worthless in providing this information and I've had trouble finding it on the county website. I'm also interested in ideas, legal but not necessarily ethical, to encourage them to leave the neighborhood.

Any advice is greatly appreciated.

Below are news articles regarding the incident last night.

http://www.10news.com/news/23289915/deta...

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/...

Submitted by flu on April 28, 2010 - 3:10pm.

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Any advice is greatly appreciated.

I have advice for you.....

Move.

Using an old realtor adage... Location, location, location, location.

Otherwise, more tactical, see if you and your other neighbors are willing to go to the HOA board and try to make it uncomfortable for that said family so they move. Or get yourself a hidden video camera, get the guy dealing drugs filmed and turn it in.

However, with two juvi's I wouldn't want to mess with them if I had family to consider.

I'd opt for my first advice, because my family and personal safety are more important than any dollar amount.

Submitted by Aecetia on April 28, 2010 - 3:49pm.

If you do not take flu's advice, then get some security in the house: alarm system and perhaps a dog. I support having firearms in the house for personal protection only if you know how to use one and do not have small children that might have access to the firearm. However if you have children and firearms, then by all means teach them how to use them at an early age. You do not have to have an attack trained large dog, just a dog that will bark when they hear something unusual or in my dogs case, every time someone rings the bell. Some insurance companies will drop you if you have certain breeds on a list they have. You should also enhance perimeter security if you stay with motion sensing lights.

Submitted by cdesilva44 on April 28, 2010 - 3:58pm.

I have two dogs that bark any time someone gets close to the house. I also have a Remington 870 shotgun, but need to upgrade my ammo. The #8 birdshot I have isn't going to cut it. No kids in the house.

My main concern is trying to force those particular residents to move. The neighborhood is pretty quiet aside from that one house.

Submitted by SD Realtor on April 28, 2010 - 4:18pm.

I would agree with FLU however full disclosure about the neighborhood nuisance would be required.

Submitted by flu on April 28, 2010 - 10:31pm.

cdesilva44 wrote:
I have two dogs that bark any time someone gets close to the house. I also have a Remington 870 shotgun, but need to upgrade my ammo. The #8 birdshot I have isn't going to cut it. No kids in the house.

My main concern is trying to force those particular residents to move. The neighborhood is pretty quiet aside from that one house.

Ok, here's some other creative solutions

1)Make friends with a cop and always invite him/her over for dinner, ensuring he/she shows up in a squad car. Hell, cops love cars/motorcycles/poker/etc. Have a bunch of off duty cops over for a party.

2)Go purchase a old caprice classic, and paint the doors and roof white. Go here and buy some lights and decals. speedtechlights
Internet is your friend. Park the car outside in front of your home.

3)Add 5-10 motion sensing lights with huge 200-250 watt bulbs. Point the motion sensor in the direction of the perb, set the light on max and the duration on max

4)Get an alarm system company to install an alarm. Intentionally set off the alarm a few times for the police.

5)Find that single mother a guy dumb enough to take her in so she'll move..Oh wait, two juvi's..Nevermind...

6)Hook up with that the single mother and get onto third base, then have her disown the two kids and/or send them to military camp, no matter what she looks like, what a total pyscho she is,etc. Just make sure you don't procreate with her.

7)Hang a sign neon sign outside with an drive through arrow, and have the sign "If you're looking for the drug dealer juvi's, they live here..." just to ensure the next time the next perb doesn't accidentally come knocking on your door.

8)Play really really annoying music really really loud. Something like chinese opera (with the high shrill pitch that you probably can't stand yourself) Pump up the volume so that your neighbor with the juvi's can hear...At midnight...Or worse, play Celine Dion "My Heart Will Go On"...over and over and over and over again at full volume. When the police come for a disturbance call, just tell them you were trying to cover up all the gunshots/and load drug dealings going on so you could get some sleep.

8) Got any porn magazine subscription forms?

9) If you hate parents the parents and they have kids, buy the kid a set of drums.

10) Order pizza for them, from a pay phone.

11) Cross-dress and prance around in the neighbors front door...Make your poker night friends dress up too.

12) Superglue and doorlocks don't mix.

13) Buy a Harley, and rev it up in the middle of the night.

14) If the neighbor has a lawn, buy a lot of rice crispies. Remember when wet, they go snap crackle and pop.

15) Buy a huge spotlight and point it directly at you're neighbor's door. Smile, your a movie star.

16)A strobing #15 is even better, with disco music.

17)Find a friend who use to belong a Fraternity to give you better ideas.

Submitted by EconProf on April 28, 2010 - 5:23pm.

You and the neighbors can sue them as a neighborhood nuisance that is hurting your quality of life. I and a bunch of my tenants did it successfully years ago in a Normal Heights rental complex I owned. The Apt. building next door had years upon years of drug dealing, junked cars, trash, noise, crime, police visits, etc.
Under a San Diego program I hope is still in place, we kept logs, photographs, police report logs, & other evidence of the neighborhood disruption (what we economists call negative externalities) as spewed by the nonresponsive and utterly indifferent owner/landlord.
Went to court, won. Every tenant participating got from several hundred $ to several thousand, based on proximity to the problem.
That was soooo satisfying.
The problems abated, somewhat. Had they continued, we could have repeated the process.

Submitted by pabloesqobar on April 28, 2010 - 7:00pm.

This nice lady in Del Mar has a colony of bees she is giving away:

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/zip/1...

Submitted by greekfire on April 28, 2010 - 7:26pm.

My thoughts are:
(1) Secure your place, autos, and persons first with alarms, sensors, dog, gun, etc. I'd feel comfy with a Remington 870 and learn how to use it if you don't. Hopefully you are in a split level condo with the bedrooms upstairs. If so, make sure there aren't any ways for others to climb up into the 2nd floor windows. If there's ever an illegal entry, you can grab the shotgun and guard the staircase. Be sure that your pumping (loading) of the round is well heard. Have your partner call 911 while you wait.

(2) Actually try to be friendly with the malefactors. Wave hi/bye, introduce yourself, make idle chit-chat. They aren't going to be in your inner-most circle of friends, but this can help to make things a bit more comfortable and will help your standing after step 3...

(3) Pursue all legal and non-violent means at your disposal to remedy the situation. Some tips have been mentioned previously. When the legal stuff starts to come down, the malefactors will start to make a list of the neighbors who might have done it. They'd be much more inclined to think it's one of the other neighbors, not you.

Submitted by Aecetia on April 28, 2010 - 7:58pm.

Call and or write to the Mayor and complain about the lack of enforcement at the drug house. This complaint, especially if in writing will be forwarded to the Chief with some kind of tracking to respond back to the Mayor. Someone higher than the Officer who you spoke to will probably contact you about how to take care of the problem. They will probably tell you that you need to write down license numbers and give you someone to notify. They will also say they are short of officers and are doing the best they can and that a lot of the task force personnel have been redeployed because of all the cutbacks. They also might pitch it to Neighborhood Watch and or Code Enforcement to help you with the problem. You need to be a pain about it and a broken record. If it gets worse and they do nothing, then I recommend Turko. He usually gets their attention. Good luck. Stay safe.

Submitted by nostradamus on April 28, 2010 - 9:02pm.

LOL at the bees.

Flu is right, you should move. IMO you live in the worst part of Mira Mesa. I think you got off easy by only having shady people around.

If the kids (people are calling "juvis") are under 18, call child welfare services at 1(800) 344-6000. Every call results in a case file, if a couple of neighbors call you have a strong case.

From the CWS website:

"The 24-hour Hotline is staffed by trained social workers who receive calls about child abuse, molestation and neglect. Each call is logged and evaluated as to the level of possible risk to the child. Neighbors, friends or relatives concerned about a child's safety, parents who are afraid they may hurt or neglect their child, and children who believe they are being abused should telephone the Hotline to discuss their concerns. Referrals to resources and additional help is given to any who have that need."

I think the #8 birdshot is fine, you don't wanna kill innocent bystanders on the other side of the wall. In a townhouse I would even consider rock salt loads or bean bag.

Submitted by moneymaker on April 28, 2010 - 9:48pm.

Don't move,that is admitting defeat. Read "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu. Then once armed with that all I can say is stay on the right side of the law. We have a friend who is having a similar problem with neighbors that play instruments(drums,bass guitar,etc.) really late into the night in their garage with the garage door open. Usually starts around 11PM he says. Whats weird though is that we've been over there at least a half dozen times and I only heard them the last time over, he says they've been doing it for years and 1 neighbor has already moved because of it.

Submitted by Hobie on April 29, 2010 - 2:41pm.

flu wrote:

17)Find a friend who use to belong a Fraternity to give you better ideas.

Reminded me of a frat story. Guy from one frat started dating the girlfriend of a dude in another. When he found out, he poured the juice from a tuna fish can into the vent of his Porche. Guy ended up selling the car. Never figured out who did it.

Submitted by patb on April 29, 2010 - 9:10pm.

Why not make friends with some crips
and explain that some punk ass white bitches
are cutting into their turf.

Submitted by CricketOnTheHearth on April 29, 2010 - 10:01pm.

I like greekfire's, Acetia's, and Hobie's ideas. The juice from a tin of kippered herring also works well, I'm told.

I live in southeast Mira Mesa and one of our pesky local wildlife is skunks. Might be useful to find out what skunks really really like to eat, and then pitch some of that into the malefactors' back yard.

I agree, you shouldn't have to move because of one houseful of bad apples... but you do have to think of your own safety too.

Maybe you can team up with the neighbors and all put your heads together and come up with something.

Submitted by cdesilva44 on April 29, 2010 - 11:41pm.

I've spoken to several of my neighbors and we are in agreement that we need to get together and take action. I'll be going to the County clerk's office on Monday in order to find out who owns the house, and then we're all going to write letters to the owner until something happens.

Thankfully the residents of the house left shortly after the incident and haven't come back yet. I'm hoping they never come back.

I called Child Welfare Services today and made a complaint. Several of my other neighbors have done the same.

Moving is really out of the question. I actually like the neighborhood and have never had any problems aside from that one house. I'm not going to let one neighbor send me packing.

Submitted by Aecetia on April 29, 2010 - 11:42pm.

There is strength in numbers and it would not hurt to find out what can be done by code enforcement if the people who live there are in violation. Code enforcement has been helpful in condemning drug houses and abating nuisances and most of the people involved have all the contacts and are adept at taking care of these kinds of issues. Once again, best of luck to you and stay safe.

Submitted by Oxford on April 30, 2010 - 1:21am.

Put your taxes to work. Report, Report Report to all agencies from cops to social workers. Be creative. Go after these losers. Fight with your brains and the system. It can work. Hell you are paying their wages anyway.

Form a neighborhood group to go after these scum bags. They may be bad ass but after MANY visits from the cops and social services, they will weaken. I have been in similar situations and find that the squeaky wheel gets greased.

Stay out of their radar. Let the cops do the job. It will pass and you will gain knowledge of how to work the system when shit like this happens. This is your home. These assholes will understand a good fight and worthy opponent and move on when it gets too hot. Make it burn.

OX
...freedom fighter

Submitted by Interested Buyer on May 13, 2010 - 2:38pm.

Looking at buying in the area. Any progress? Hoping for a positive update.
:-)

Submitted by cdesilva44 on May 13, 2010 - 9:05pm.

I've only ever had problems with that one house, otherwise the neighborhood is pretty quiet where I live.

Thankfully the tenants of that house have been spending a lot less time at home since the incident. I've contacted CWS and written a letter to the owner, so hopefully they'll be gone soon.

Submitted by CafeMoto on January 2, 2012 - 10:25pm.

I nominate this thread to the vault of 2011 classics! Came across it searching for help on another topic: garage & heat (no pun intended). Will pink fiberglass type insulation keep solar heat out of my garage? My door absolutely bakes in the sun and I am not able to paint it a lighter color

Submitted by svelte on January 2, 2012 - 11:38pm.

CafeMoto wrote:
I nominate this thread to the vault of 2011 classics!

Except the thread is from 2010.

Per your question, I have found that in San Diego, a triple layer door (insulation as the center layer) does not help keep heat out.

In my last two homes, I've had west-facing garage doors. I put triple layer doors in my last house and I think the garage actually got hotter. My theory is that it helped hold the heat from the car engines in, though I can't prove it. My current garage has a single layer door and it seems to me the garage stays cooler than my last home...with similar color garage doors.

Submitted by jstoesz on January 3, 2012 - 12:47am.

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Submitted by sdduuuude on January 3, 2012 - 11:47am.

CafeMoto wrote:
I nominate this thread to the vault of 2011 classics! Came across it searching for help on another topic: garage & heat (no pun intended). Will pink fiberglass type insulation keep solar heat out of my garage? My door absolutely bakes in the sun and I am not able to paint it a lighter color

I suggest a solar-powered fan up high to blow hot air out a vent opening. Make sure you have an intake that opens out to a shady spot to take in cool air. Put it on a differential thermostat that you can set to kick on when the temp is x degrees hotter in than out.

Submitted by moneymaker on January 3, 2012 - 9:32pm.

I would like to amend my post. Find the owner using propertyshark.com write them a letter detailing the illegal drug deals going on and let them know you are sending a carbon copy to the police. That they may lose their investment if said activity continues. If the owner knows there is drug dealing going on and they do nothing about it they could be forced to forfeit their property as part of drug seizure laws. I would bet money that they will be evicting said tenants promptly.

Submitted by paramount on January 3, 2012 - 11:37pm.

garage door insulation kits are sold at home depot, etc...

Submitted by Jazzman on January 4, 2012 - 10:17am.

cdesilva44 wrote:
I've spoken to several of my neighbors and we are in agreement that we need to get together and take action. I'll be going to the County clerk's office on Monday in order to find out who owns the house, and then we're all going to write letters to the owner until something happens.

Thankfully the residents of the house left shortly after the incident and haven't come back yet. I'm hoping they never come back.

I called Child Welfare Services today and made a complaint. Several of my other neighbors have done the same.

Moving is really out of the question. I actually like the neighborhood and have never had any problems aside from that one house. I'm not going to let one neighbor send me packing.

Most sensible course of action I've read so far. Looks like you have a handle on it if all your neighbors are in agreement. I've had young criminals turn very vindictive when police got involved. Our local drug dealer is friendly thankfully. The nightmare is someone who seems incapable of fixing his car alarm, and yesterday issued a veiled threat to my wife if she continued to lambast him. If you move into a better neighborhood, it doesn't mean your problems end.

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