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Not for me, it wouldn't be. Hmmm, I was supposed to be traditional and old-fashioned, wasn't I? ;)

Anyway, that's my answer. If I'm attracted to the guy and like his personality, he smells good, etc. then I want to see how he kisses. A bad kisser is usually a dealbreaker for me. Not always because you can teach someone to kiss better to a certain extent.

Marion & Kev374, I know you didn't ask for it, but my advice? Go get a room! :-0

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RECESS!!!

I NEVER kiss on the first date. Never even try.

Well, hold on, lemme amend... that is to say, dating for being SERIOUS... NEVER. When I was going through certain dry spells long, long ago (feel free to grin sardonically and chortle knowingly) well, I was more aggressive... but truly... I lost interest quick in a woman/girl who puts out fast.

( My nephew laughed his ass off about this last visit...he was relating to me a story about a girl with OCD who he'd dated that summer...her name was Kathy Come- I coudnt MAKE that up!.... he (now 20) said..
"Uncle Carlos! It's like a secret weapon. They LOVE you for NOT trying anything!")

ciao for now...

Voz

i've never regretted asking when in doubt. which is usually the case. as well as infrequent.

They LOVE you for NOT trying anything!")
Wisdom from the mouth of babes.
The thing many women are most afraid of is that a man is the "dog" kind or worse. They tend to get tired of that pretty fast...or at least they want to have a good sense of what is coming, especailly that they are not going to get roughed up in anyway.....so you must conceal that you are a dog(none of us are dangerous,I hope) with nonchalants, be you having good intentions or bad, at least long enough for the defenses to lay down and any potential spark in her comes alive.Life, and a set of slashed tires, taught rustico, that after the guise of, I am good but not needy has worked, be honest about the intentions part.

Disclaimer:This all no longer pertains to Rustico.

eccen in esc
kissing on a first date is jumping the gun,
Wait til date 9 or 10 when it will be more meaningful.:)

I say always wait for the girl to make "a" move.. that's my advice, in my experience and it drives them nuts. You do have to let them know you're attracted but that you're patient and have other things on your mind... in my opinion there's no better way to push a girl away turn her off in the early phases than watering her suspicion that you're just after sex. Any guy can say cheesy one liners and make sex jokes.. most girls are grossed by this.

Think about how amazingly polite and well behaved a dog looks when you have a ball in your hand and you say ''stayyy, stayyy'' and the dog sits completely still even though you know he wants it and will pounce it the moment you say so. Pretend you're the dog and she's the ball.

so what are you guys saying eh? I blew it? :D

Do the hug and "air kiss" like they do in the Latin American cultures. It's not overtly threatening and you can still guage the response to closer contact.

so what are you guys saying eh? I blew it? :D

I don't think so.. because you're on an internet forum asking what people think. That means you're probably a thoughtful guy and I'm sure she detected that on the date. She probably thought it was cute that you tried, now don't dwell on it or ask her about it.. put it behind you completely - my experience says girls don't like when guys get analytical on them or situations. No mountain of a mole-hill.. ask her out again soon to something unconventional - like the batting cages or driving range.

Also keep in mind some girls want to kiss but won't because they're trying to emphasize self respect and some are very sensitive about the 'easy'/'slut' type taboos.

I like bug's style if there were some good vibes.If you are looking for a "girlfriend" there is nothing wrong with going slower than that either, including if there was some good chemsitry and the date was fun and friendly.

You didn't blow it. You have to put those little things out of your mind as fast as you can, Don't dwell on it.
Laugh about it a little.
Humbly assume that there are lots of women who want to meet you, if you don't do this already. Maybe she still wants to go out with you maybe she doesn't.

Of course things were not always easy like this for yours truly but I think that is the way to think about it.

It's not you...it's me.

Possibility you are talking to me?

If so you can e-mail at rustico7462 [at] hotmail [dot] com

I think this depends a lot on your age, and the woman and man involved.

I tend to think a kiss is a nice way to end a good first date. Based on my experience, most women in their mid-to-late 20s feel the same way. But I tend to date liberal, college educated women, which may skew my sampling.

Frankly, if she doesn't want to kiss you at the end of a first date, that may be a signal of lack of interest, unless she made it clear that she was interested, and just wanted to take things slow.

Don't dwell on this at all. Ask her out again. If she wants to go out with you again, she's interested. If not, or if she makes excuses and blows you off, forget about it and move on, simple as that. There are a LOT of flakes in this world, but everyone has their own standards, morals, cultures, etc. so just because she didn't kiss you doesn't mean she's not interested or she doesn't want to... Only the return phone call will tell if she is truly interested, and there are a lot of flakes out there, so if she flakes out or plays games with you, move on and go meet someone else.

I don't know about kissing on a first date, but if sex isn't an option by the third date, something is seriously wrong.

Josh

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The sad part is that I read all 5 pages of that other thread and will probably go back for more, against my better judgment...

Onto a personal observation: hugs are usually acceptable on a first date, especially if there's an open understanding of the meaning of the date. The more body contact you get out of the hug the better the chances you'll be able to get off a quick smooch without crossing the 'line'.

If a guy wait 8-9 dates to kiss me, I'd think he was gay!

Ditto on that one, novice. That's plain crazy. :)

Ok, for Kev. Man, get a clue. Just because she said no kisses on the first date, doesn't necessarily mean she doesn't want to see you again. Pay attention to her body language on the date and her tone of voice, facial expressions. Those things should give you a pretty good indication if she was enjoying herself with you.

Now, just ask her out again. As soon as possible if you like her. I wouldn't go for another kiss on the next date, just watch her reactions to you and make her feel comfortable with you. On the third date, try and kiss her again.

Good Luck.

I would highly recommend that you read some of the "Doc Love" articles at Askmen.com

http://www.askmen.com/dating/doclove/

Note that I'm NOT recommending his overpriced book, but the free archived articles will get you pointed in the right direction.