Downtown Condos Are In BIG Trouble...

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Submitted by Huckleberry on October 20, 2009 - 10:48am

The downtown SD condo market is going to get absolutely obliterated due to new gov't lending mandates...

http://housingstorm.com/2009/10/condos-b...

Submitted by briansd1 on October 20, 2009 - 10:56am.

That's good news as far as I'm concerned.

I'm looking to buy downtown -- eventually.

Submitted by Downtowner on October 20, 2009 - 11:22am.

Yes, also good news for me, as I have been patiently waiting. Has anyone heard how the Auction at Smart Corner went? The starting auction prices still seamed a bit high to me.

Submitted by outtamojo on October 20, 2009 - 11:34am.

Gonna be a smorgasbord for cash buyers.

Submitted by AN on October 20, 2009 - 11:37am.

outtamojo wrote:
Gonna be a smorgasbord for cash buyers.

Yep, cash is king. If this gets applied to FNMA and FRE loans as well, then downtown condo might drop 50-70%, but you'd need cash to buy them.

Submitted by sd_matt on October 20, 2009 - 12:16pm.

Yeah wouldn't that be funny if all those folks at Smart Corner bid up to market and then this happens.

Submitted by davelj on October 20, 2009 - 1:20pm.

I think pricing downtown is going to continue to be under pressure for some time, but the situation in downtown SD pales in comparison to that of Phoenix (referenced in the article).

But, more importantly, can I really take anyone with this photo too seriously? I'm sorry...

http://housingstorm.com/author/patrickbu...

Submitted by briansd1 on October 20, 2009 - 1:54pm.

A downtown developer, Constellation Property (originally from Australia) lost the Stella project to the bank (built 2 years ago and been sitting vacant, unfinished).

Their other developments in San Diego and National City are on hold.

Their Lumina project in Tempe, AZ is built and in trouble.

If Phoenix is bad, Tempe is even worse.

I remember a conversation with that developer, Eugene Marchese -- smug and full of it.

Submitted by jameswenn on October 20, 2009 - 2:12pm.

I'm not a condo guy, so does this mean alot of those downtown buildings will be turned into apartments?

Submitted by capeman on October 20, 2009 - 10:46pm.

I told those downtown condo sales people in 2004 I would be back in a couple of years to buy at 1/3 the price. They laughed and the crackheads never sold out 5 years later... hahaha!

Submitted by CA renter on October 21, 2009 - 1:16am.

We were downtown just tonight and talked about buying a nice 2/2 for a low price. This is good news! :)

Submitted by patb on October 21, 2009 - 7:38pm.

jameswenn wrote:
I'm not a condo guy, so does this mean alot of those downtown buildings will be turned into apartments?

except rents aredeclining, so they are hard to finance as commercial too.

A unit with 90% apartments and 3 sold units becomes a nightmare to
finance as apartments either.

Submitted by briansd1 on October 21, 2009 - 10:36pm.

patb, it's nothing that a nice downward price adjustment can't fix. ;)

Submitted by patb on October 22, 2009 - 2:53pm.

briansd1 wrote:
patb, it's nothing that a nice downward price adjustment can't fix. ;)

true but the building can death spiral and hang up for a couple of years.

if the building has 4 owners and 96 unsold, the owners may stop paying
the mortgages, but the bank may not foreclose, or worse if one owner
was in on cash and doesn't want to walk away, they can lever a lot of
money out of the prospective buyer, it's a mess.

It gets worse if you have 30 owners and 70 units unsold....

now I might not mind living in a building with some trouble being the only person there, i could play "The Omega Man" in the hallways, or have
some amazing paint ball games with buddies.