Data Quick: Southern California median sale price DROPS in April

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Submitted by Bob on May 20, 2009 - 4:40pm

One would have thought that April numbers would have shown an increase in the median price, but according to Data Quick, there was a drop in the median price for April, after three months of stability.

May 19, 2009

http://www.dqnews.com/

La Jolla, CA---After holding steady the first three months of this year, the median sale price fell slightly from March – a reminder of how delicate any short-term price stability could prove amid ongoing job cuts and foreclosures, a real estate information service reported.

Submitted by patientrenter on May 20, 2009 - 5:24pm.

Median prices are not a good indicator of price levels. We've had this discussion many times before, Bob.

Case Shiller indexes, average/median price per square foot per zip code, etc are better indicators. Our own esmith created a case shiller type index by zip code, and for groups of zip codes, I believe.

Anyway, the median price is more of an indication of how many transactions are occurring in the lower end tier of the market versus the upper end. Clearly the lower end is a lot more active right now, dragging the median price down more than the price of the typical home has come down.

Submitted by PadreBrian on May 20, 2009 - 5:28pm.

^^^^^^
what he said.

But given that, yeah, the trend is down.

Submitted by Bob on May 20, 2009 - 6:57pm.

PadreBrian wrote:
But given that, yeah, the trend is down.

This is just one form of data, but as PadreBrian stated, the trend is down, which makes it newsworthy. What is equally important from Data Quick is the fact that in the mid/upper ranges, sales continue to be very weak.

Submitted by AN on May 20, 2009 - 11:37pm.

Bob wrote:

This is just one form of data, but as PadreBrian stated, the trend is down, which makes it newsworthy. What is equally important from Data Quick is the fact that in the mid/upper ranges, sales continue to be very weak.

Since we all know the trend is down for years now, I hardly think this is news worth. Since most of us on here are waiting to buy, what would be news worthy would be the sign of the bottom. Obviously there will be many bottom, not just 2, depending on the zip code and housing type you're looking for. So, I'll be looking forward to when we'll get many of those threads on here. We're the first group to call the top, so I suspect we'll be the first group to call the bottom.

Submitted by Bob on May 21, 2009 - 8:42pm.

Quote:
Since we all know the trend is down for years now, I hardly think this is news worth.

Actually, had you read the details, the trend was flat from January through March, followed by a down trend in April. Thats why its newsworthy. But its a free country, so you don't have to read it if you don't want to.

Submitted by AN on May 21, 2009 - 9:12pm.

Bob wrote:
Quote:
Since we all know the trend is down for years now, I hardly think this is news worth.

Actually, had you read the details, the trend was flat from January through March, followed by a down trend in April. Thats why its newsworthy. But its a free country, so you don't have to read it if you don't want to.


Flat in a the spring season is nothing to write home about. It was flat if not up in 2008 as well and we all know how the rest of the year turned out. 3 months does not make a trend. When I say trend, I mean what has been going on for the last 2 years.

Submitted by FormerSanDiegan on May 22, 2009 - 8:26am.

AN - good point. Flat in the Spring is not exactly the most bullish signal.

Since about 2/3 of sales in the SoCal area are LA, OC, and Riverside County, these numbers are probably driven more by those markets.

In fact this report shows San Diego up 5 K month-to-month.

Regardless, the fluctuation in month-to-month median prices of a couple percent is probably below the noise level of the measurement. Up or down 5 K should be considered essentially flat.

Headline news that SoCAL is down in April or headline news that San Diego was up in April or both sensational.

Submitted by Sandi Egan on May 22, 2009 - 3:46pm.

AN wrote:
We're the first group to call the top, so I suspect we'll be the first group to call the bottom.

I wish you are right.

Since I've read The Bubble Primer in 2005 I became an adamant believer in housing bubble burst. I knew the prices are going down a lot.

Now it's a different story though, I am not so sure about the future of the housing market anymore. Granted, the current trend is still down. But for how long? Have you seen a convincing metric that can predict bottom(s) with at least 10% accuracy? A metric, mind you, that should be based on (macro) fundamentals, yet make a quantitative prediction on an extremely local matter? Do you even believe it's mathematically possible?

Sigh.

Submitted by Bob on May 22, 2009 - 8:53pm.

AN wrote:

Flat in a the spring season is nothing to write home about. It was flat if not up in 2008 as well and we all know how the rest of the year turned out. 3 months does not make a trend. When I say trend, I mean what has been going on for the last 2 years.

Dude, if its causing you such stress, may I suggest you ignore threads like this in the future ?