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old fogey McCain.

Ah, the party of tolerance practicing Agism.

Why would she endorse someone who is too "inexperienced" for the job? Does she hate this country like Michelle does or what? If Obama picks an insider for VP running mate, and they don't come more insider than a Kennedy, Edwards or Clinton, is he still the candidate of "Change"? Maybe he can find a liberal in the Bush family?That would be different at least.

Ah, the party of tolerance practicing Agism.

Marion is not the party of tolerance. Assigning the opinions of each follower of any party to the whole party is exactly the kind of misdirection that starts to turn these debates into meaningless shouting. Must we do that?

Oh, so now the Obama supporter is "proud" of something Hillary said? How can you be proud of something that is said by someone who would say anything for personal gain?

Just because she would say anything for personal gain doesn't mean she says everything for personal gain.

Kapish?

Hillary may be selfish, but overall is a democrat with good intentions. Her campaign tactics were a turn-off to me, but I respect what she stands for. She's strong, capable woman that doesn't bow to anyone. I respect that part of her as well.

Now, let's get that Clinton machine working for us to beat old fogey McCain. Go Dems!!

P.S. and why are you so nasty, asianautica? You must want a repub in the White House.

One empty suit endorsing another...................

If no one gives a damn, did it really happen!

So it's ok to use that "Clinton machine" when it'll benefit Obama but not for herself? Give me a break. He denounced his church of 20 years just so he can win and you'd bash Hillary for saying anything for personal gain? Sorry, but I don't like either McCain or Obama. If you can't tell by now, I'm a Hillary supporter. By your double standard statements, I can see sexism runs much deeper than racism in this country.

Kapish?

Actually, it's capice or capisce.

old fogey McCain

That's the second time you've used that word with McCain. Just goes to show that discrimination and bigotry is alive and well in this country even in people who are generally at the receiving end of it. Next time you start complaining about intolerance and bigotry, look in the mirror....

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.ph...

In regards to McCain, don't mind my comments about his age. I'm sure he can handle the job, at least until Alzheimer's set's any anyway. ;)

It's not ebonics, it's an italian word. Urban Dictionary is hardly a reliable source for spelling or etymology.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/capisce

http://www.allwords.com/word-capisce.html

Just wondering home many clinton backers are not going to end up backing McCain.

Speaking with a few vietnamese friends, it seems like the consensus is that most will back McCain for obvious reasons.

This will be an interesting election. On one hand, you have a fractured democrat party. On the other, you have a renegade republican candidate that ultra conservatives hate. Is Ralph Nader still planning to run too?

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----- Sour grapes for everyone!

Hillary has always been an obvious liar but after her sniper fire skit how could anyone every believe anything she every says again??

Why are Liberals so gullible??

McCain will win in a landslide because America will not elect a Marxist and a Racist even if he is Black.

John

If Hillary is such a strong capable women why did she married that pos Bill Clinton??

You should read Carls Bernstein's book on Hillary.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/wo...

For instance, according to people who knew here she had such bad body odor in college that you could smell up coming up. So we want a Prez who is too lazy and depressed to take a shower??

Besides Bill claims that she has eaten more pussy then he has. Do we want a Lesbian in the White House. Imagine what type of Blackmail she would be subject too.

Do you think that Hillary would have spent 5 years as a POW when she could have gotten out?

Hillary is a joke and she would have gotten beat about as bad as Obama.

John

Submitted by meadandale on June 8, 2008 - 1:30pm.

It's not ebonics, it's an italian word. Urban Dictionary is hardly a reliable source for spelling or etymology.

Oh My Goodness! You mean it's not ebonics?? Oh, Holy Moly! I didn't even know that! (sarcasm off)

LOL.

John...You need to go wash that "potty" mouth out with soap. At any rate, can't speak for everyone on this board, but Hillary's personal life doesn't interest me, neither does Bill's. All I know is that during his time in office, Bill was a fine president. GW Bush is the biggest joke there is, and I'm willing to bet You and meandandale participated in putting him in office.

She's strong, capable woman that doesn't bow to anyone. I respect that part of her as well.

I love it when I see the Femi-Nazis line up behind Billary. Bill cheated on her (many, many times) and she was too weak to leave him. Plus, absolutely no one would know who Billary was if she hadn't married Bill.

Billary's a joke and her followers are a joke. At least line up behind a woman who respects herself.

"McCain will win in a landslide because America will not elect a Marxist and a Racist even if he is Black.

John"

If the election were held today, Obama would lose.

But the election will not be held today. In five (5) months, this country will be firmly on the path to Depression. Oil will, conservatively, be $170/barrel and $6/gallon, and the financial markets will be on the verge of collapse from the derivatives unwinding that is accelerating as we speak.

Under those circumstances, it is hard to imagine that Obama CAN"T win.

That said, he is an empty suit, and Clinton is another empty sit, as is McCain, and the net effect for everyone on this board will be the same: we will all suffer tremendously. It is an economic inevitability, and Obama cannot prevent this.

As I see it, Obama's biggest problem now will be millions of angry Americans who will wake up to the fact, sometime in mid-2009, that he can't possibly or humanly deliver the "change" he falsely promised to so many, and that he is merely a new puppet properly-positioned by the global elite to "control" American masses with uplifting speeches and soothing words to avert a civil uprising as their standard of living plummets and crime abounds.

I will be curious to see how Americans react to the betrayal. I think it is inevitable that Obama will be a one-term president. He didn't create the problem, but he has unfortunately promised that he can "fix" it. His successor may have a chance at success, but also very slim. We have a long way to go down this rabbit hole.

Buckle up, keep cash handy, and hold on.

"Hillary may be selfish, but overall is a democrat with good intentions. Her campaign tactics were a turn-off to me, but I respect what she stands for. She's strong, capable woman that doesn't bow to anyone. I respect that part of her as well."

M, do you really mean this? You previously called Hillary a "bitch" and some other very unsavory epithets that would appear to run counter to your sentiment now that she has "good intentions" and is "strong" and "capable".

And if their roles were reversed, and it were Obama who conceded and ended up supporting Hillary, would you still feel the same way about her? Would Hillary still be "strong" and "capable" in your eyes?

Just curious.

"That's the second time you've used that word with McCain. Just goes to show that discrimination and bigotry is alive and well in this country even in people who are generally at the receiving end of it. Next time you start complaining about intolerance and bigotry, look in the mirror...."

Marion is not alone. I am a Democrat (barely...probably opting out of the whole, corrupt system this year), and I have been dismayed by the number of Democrats in my office who have launched into ageist and sexist tirades against McCain and Hillary. They belie the spirit of cooperation and tolerance that the Messiah Obama always preaches. It's very disconcerting when the party of tolerance becomes the party of judgment and discrimination when they glimpse the pathway to power.

Marion,

I can't really believe that you don't care about someones "personal" life relative to serving in the White House.

GW will be consider a great president in about 50 years. The war in Iraq is working. Soon Iran will be taken care of and for once in 1500 years Arabs will have a choice on how they want to be governed and how they want to live.

Once the Middle East become democratic the world will enter a new age of peace and prosperity.

This Iraq war is worth many times its cost to the current generation to enable the future generations to live without a constant threat of war in the middle east.

John

PS Bill Clinton was a worthless president. All the good that came out of his reign was due to a majority of republicans in Congress. They were the ones who cut taxes, improved welfare.

Plus Clinton was horrible at foreign policy. Another Jimmy Carter. He could have done something about the Middle East stuff had he had any brains but he just ignored it.

"All I know is that during his time in office, Bill was a fine president."

How are those rose colored glasses treating you? You have a very short memory.

Obama will not win no matter how much you want it. There are plenty of Hillary democrats who will vote for McCain before they'll vote for Obama.

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partypup: "As I see it, Obama's biggest problem now will be millions of angry Americans who will wake up to the fact, sometime in mid-2009, that he can't possibly or humanly deliver the "change" he falsely promised to so many, and that he is merely a new puppet properly-positioned by the global elite to "control" American masses with uplifting speeches and soothing words to avert a civil uprising as their standard of living plummets and crime abounds."

In our current economic times, any candidate had better be careful what he/she promised. It's obvious the road we are heading down, and obviously it won't be a quick fix. Those who are educated understand that. Only the uneducated will wake up in May 2009 and be dismayed that the country is still in trouble. So what? Obama is idealistic. As long as he tries his best with all the resources he has to make the changes he talked about, I'll be satisfied.

Hillary has been a b!tch throughout her campaign for the presidency, and she has shown some character flaws I was unaware of and do not approve of. Everyone has their strenghts and weaknesses and yes, she should have left Bill. She was weak in that regard. However, that doesn't negate her strengths in other areas including her political life. She's strong in that area, and yes, I admire that.

John F. Kennedy was weak in his personal life as well (Bill too). He could not/would not stop committing adultery. Yet, he was one of the greatest presidents that ever lived.

Partypup, would I support Hillary if she were the Dem candidate for the presidency. yes, I would. Would I be enthused about her candidacy as I would Obama's? No, I would not. I thought I had made that clear along with my reasons.

Again, whoever the Dem candidate ended up being, he/she would have my support to get a dem elected to the White House.

Submitted by meadandale on June 8, 2008 - 4:22pm.

Obama will not win no matter how much you want it. There are plenty of Hillary democrats who will vote for McCain before they'll vote for Obama.

We'll see meadandale. Also, tell me this: In your opinion, why won't the Hillary democrats support Obama?

Let's hear it.

And what do you have against Obama getting in? Is it what some consider his lack of experience? Or do you not want your pocket book affected? what is it?

Marion is not alone. I am a Democrat (barely...probably opting out of the whole, corrupt system this year

So you're a racist then? Haha. Just kidding.

I think it would be kind of funny if the whole political scene this year devolved into Obama followers calling MaCainiacs racists and McCaniacs calling Obama followers unpatriotic. That would be about the level of political discourse this country deserves.

"Also, tell me this: In your opinion, why won't the Hillary democrats support Obama?"

You don't read the news much do you? Maybe that's why so many young, college age and naive voters are supporting Obama; they are out of touch with what is going on in the real world. That or they are so full of fart sniffing smugness that they just don't notice what it happening outside their little circle of reality.

Here's just one take on it.

http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/05/24/t...

Here's something a little more credible (pollsters):

http://www.gallup.com/poll/105691/McCain...

And more:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfga...

You'd really have to have your head in the sand to not know this. They've been talking about this in the press for months--that many more of Obama's supporters would vote for Hillary than the reverse.

Maybe ya'll should buy some guns and get some religion to comfort y'selves in November.

Meandandale, it was nice debating with you, but I'm not interested in the contents of the links you posted. I read the first blog; that drivel is coming from racists who want to keep a black man out of the White House. Nothing more. Obama is not racist, but some people will never concede that. You and I both know it.

Marion,

Here is an article about JFK.

John

http://emorywheel.com/detail.php?n=25064

"but I'm not interested in the contents of the links you posted."

Hey, racists or not, they are YOUR party members. I thought that it was the Republicans who were the racists? Oops....

You can put your head in the sand all you want but the fact of the matter is that many democrats who supported Hillary will NOT support Obama and this seriously jeopardizes his chances come November (I see very few conservatives actually voting for Obama as he's way left of even Hillary). Hell, McCain is too liberal for me on many issues.

Frankly I'm no McCain supporter but I'm even less of a Hillary or Obama supporter. It has nothing to do with being a woman or being black. There are plenty of women I'd have like to have seen run and I'd vote for the likes of Colin Powell in a heartbeat.

Ah, another banal off-topic post by the nitwit comrades of the bottom ten percent. Why don't you go over to KOS where you belong, and hang out with the rest of the America haters.

"It's obvious the road we are heading down, and obviously it won't be a quick fix. Those who are educated understand that. Only the uneducated will wake up in May 2009 and be dismayed that the country is still in trouble. So what? Obama is idealistic. As long as he tries his best with all the resources he has to make the changes he talked about, I'll be satisfied."

Sadly, Marion, the vast majority of this country is uneducated, and they have NO idea what's about to hit them. Fewer than half read newspapers on a daily basis, and only ten percent hold passports. These people will be utterly and completely blindsided, primarily due to the propaganda spooned to them by the mainstream media on what is now a daily basis ("We will escape a recession", "the American economy is fundamentally strong", and other b.s.) These people don't think Obama is being "idealistic"; they think he will ACTUALLY deliver what he is promising. They are desperate for an escape.

Do you really think that the average American -- making 30K a year, paying $6/gallon for gas, $8 for a carton of eggs, seeing that our troops are still in Iraq a year after Obama takes office and possibly heading to Iran -- is going to be satisfied if Obama "tries his best"? I assure you they will not. Human nature will prevail, and expecting a fix and having raised their expectations, they will turn ugly.

You will be alone in your satisfaction, Marion. And that will doom Obama to a one-term presidency. And sadly, he will be the last African-American president this country will ever see.

That's the reality.

And out of curiosity, other than national health care, what "changes", specifically, are you expecting from Obama?