Bressi Ranch 'Group Home' for Mentally Disabled

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Submitted by CBad on December 16, 2008 - 9:19am

Just an FYI to anyone who is interested. I received this email forwarded to me from some angry Bressi Ranch owners regarding a home that is to be purchased and turned into a group home for the mentally disabled:

"Carlsbad Residents,

(For those of you who do not live in Bressi but live in Carlsbad may not have been informed, however, this directly effects you as well – please read the below string to understand what is currently happening in Carlsbad…this could very easily happen in your neighborhoods as the TERI house suggested there are many other planned ‘homes’ to be purchased in North County and converted to ‘Group Homes’. If you have ANY questions feel free to email me!)

In case this is the first time you are hearing about this … the home 2 doors from ours at 6205 Alverton Drive has been purchased by a not for profit organization called TERI House http://teriinc.org/about.html. It is a foundation for mentally disabled adults. The idea is to ‘mainstream’ these adults and this organization has purchased this home to house 6 adults between the ages of 18-22 diagnosed with severe mental disabilities well as their caretakers.

Bressi Ranch had an HOA meeting where this topic was discussed on Dec 11th and in follow up, Jim (my husband) called the City of Carlsbad. He was ultimately was connected with Debbie Fountain from City of Carlsbad Housing Redevelopment Department who says she has a lot of information to share. She has offered to meet with us as a community to give us information on the city’s role in the purchase of this home. Please read the below updated letter regarding next steps … A meeting is planned to be held at the Bressi Ranch Clubhouse during the week of January 5th. A follow up email will be sent out once City Councilmember Packard and Debbie Fountain sync schedules. We know this is a busy time of year, but please try to attend--- It is vital that you come so that we can show the City of Carlsbad that this is not a small block of homeowners who are disturbed, but rather hundreds of Carlsbad residents and voters that are outraged!

Thank you and PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE join us if you can! If you can’t join us the BEST possible way for you to voice your opinion is to write an email to our City Council at council [at] ci [dot] carlsbad [dot] ca [dot] us … write an email with your name, address and opinion of the City of Carlsbad funding 800K of the 1M (background: 1M home that has a $250K backyard including an underground pool which will have to be locked for the safety of the patients.) purchase price of this home to house 6 mentally disabled adults in a neighborhood where 20 children under the age of 10 live within 5 doors proximity all directions of the house (Jim was off on numbers --- there are FAR more children within 2 blocks).

Please forward this information to any Carlsbad friends and neighbors you think need to know about this."

Submitted by kewp on December 16, 2008 - 9:37am.

Hey, real-estate agents have just as much a right to live in Bressi Ranch as anyone else.

Submitted by TemekuT on December 16, 2008 - 10:33am.

Mentally disabled. Hmmm, kind of like "I Am Sam"...Down's Syndrome, mental retardation. Oh, those people might injure our children. They shouldn't be allowed in our neighborhood. They are prone to unpredictable actions. They can be a social embarassment. They drool. They look funny. They talk funny. They ride the short bus. Their clothes don't match. Let's institutionalize them. Out of sight, out of mind. Better yet, let's find a final solution.

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on December 16, 2008 - 10:43am.

TemekuT: So you caught the same whiff of Nazism that I did? Wow. Unbelievable, but not really. The real irony is that she mentions that, while this is the busy Christmas season, residents should come out to protest and eject "those people" from their neighborhood. Perfect season of the year to show how truly small-minded, cruel and "accepting" you are.

Merry Christmas. (But only for those who look and act and sound like us!)

Submitted by CBad on December 16, 2008 - 11:34am.

So glad to hear some of your comments. I was pretty stunned that the email was even forwarded to me since the person who sent it knows there is someone in my family who is severely mentally disabled. But perhaps they forgot? I can honestly say that it wouldn't bother me if one of these homes was opened in my neighborhood as long as it was set up and functioning appropriately. Merry Christmas to you all....you've made me feel a little bit better about the world. :)

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on December 16, 2008 - 11:42am.

CBad: Merry Christmas to you, too.

I'm first generation American, and my grandma left Germany in 1935 with my dad and uncle and to escape just this sort of thing, so this hits home for me. People like this revolt me and, largely because, in their life at large, they hold to being good Christians and accepting of others.

Imagine their reaction if the group home had been for underprivileged black kids. They might have seethed privately, but you can bet your ass they wouldn't have said a friggin' word publicly!

Submitted by TemekuT on December 16, 2008 - 12:02pm.

Cbad & Allan, I can't believe someone is so lacking humanity that they are organizing this action. Ironic, isn't it, that someone so blessed financially to be able live in Carlsbad can be so mean towards those with less, in this case less being less mentally.

I could understand not wanting the mentally ill in the neighborhood. They are unpredictable and potentially violent. I know from experience in my immediate family.

But I also know from experience that the mentally retarded are in general harmless and usually much nicer than most people.

Most of us will end up mentally disabled if we live long enough - Alzheimers and senile dementia are on the increase.

There is a valid issue in the e-mail - the use of taxpayer funds in purchasing an inappropriate home. I understand concerns about lack of accountability in spending taxpayer money; I just wonder if the author of this e-mail also plans to protest the ridiculously expensive, money losing Carlsbad golf course:

http://www.bubbleinfo.com/2008/12/carlsb...

Submitted by ibjames on December 16, 2008 - 12:51pm.

yeah.. the mention the pool and backyard like this all going to be wasted..

oh well, if it's paid for, it's paid for. If they can be used or not cash speaks volumes.

Merry X-mas, you should stand out there with a sign welcoming the house while they stand outraged against it..

Submitted by ibjames on December 16, 2008 - 12:52pm.

TemekuT wrote:
Cbad & Allan, I can't believe someone is so lacking humanity that they are organizing this action. Ironic, isn't it, that someone so blessed financially to be able live in Carlsbad can be so mean towards those with less, in this case less being less mentally.

I could understand not wanting the mentally ill in the neighborhood. They are unpredictable and potentially violent. I know from experience in my immediate family.

But I also know from experience that the mentally retarded are in general harmless and usually much nicer than most people.

Most of us will end up mentally disabled if we live long enough - Alzheimers and senile dementia are on the increase.

There is a valid issue in the e-mail - the use of taxpayer funds in purchasing an inappropriate home. I understand concerns about lack of accountability in spending taxpayer money; I just wonder if the author of this e-mail also plans to protest the ridiculously expensive, money losing Carlsbad golf course:

http://www.bubbleinfo.com/2008/12/carlsb...

I can understand if they don't understand why maybe a smaller or at least a more cost effective place wasn't purchased instead

Submitted by CBad on December 16, 2008 - 1:04pm.

I can fully understand financial complaints about the project but we know that's not what this is about. And I'm thinking they need the size with 6 adults and their caretakers in one house.

Submitted by kewp on December 16, 2008 - 1:31pm.

TemekuT wrote:
Out of sight, out of mind. Better yet, let's find a final solution.

Exactly.

First its the retards, then next thing you know it will be Jews, Queers and Gypsies.

Keep them segregated in the ghetto and paint easy to identify symbols on their homes so us pure folk will know to stay away and avoid contamination.

This is sarcasm for the humor impaired, btw.

Submitted by fredo4 on December 16, 2008 - 1:34pm.

How awful! I could understand if this was a drug rehab house or a home for sex offenders. But a group of mentally disabled people? That's just mean.

Submitted by kewp on December 16, 2008 - 1:38pm.

CBad wrote:
I can fully understand financial complaints about the project but we know that's not what this is about. And I'm thinking they need the size with 6 adults and their caretakers in one house.

Borat sometimes posts here. Maybe he could build cages for them?

That's more sarcasm btw.

Anyways, the hallmark of a successful society is how it treats its least fortunate.

If you could do me a favor, please let the author of that note know that one of their peers is horribly, horribly ashamed of them.

Submitted by urbanrealtor on December 16, 2008 - 2:08pm.

kewp wrote:
Hey, real-estate agents have just as much a right to live in Bressi Ranch as anyone else.

I think getting their license IS mainstreaming for many of us.

The trick is getting us to walk and talk at the same time.

Or for me, to stop talking.

Submitted by CBad on December 16, 2008 - 2:51pm.

kewp wrote:

If you could do me a favor, please let the author of that note know that one of their peers is horribly, horribly ashamed of them.

I think they are now keenly aware they made a mistake sending it to me. She also sent it to a mutual friend who has a 6 week old daughter with Downs. So she has both feet in her mouth right about now.

Submitted by TemekuT on December 16, 2008 - 2:59pm.

Allan:

You might be interested in the lyrics from a 1983 song by English folk singer June Tabor. It's on the "Abyssinians" album. The song is about the Holocaust, written from the viewpoint of a haunted concentration camp survivor (probably her father) who was forced to prepare other prisoners for death. The lines that come to mind are:

The final solution to no one's problem
Friends and lovers in stinking rows
Avoiding their eyes, checking their numbers
Burning their clothes.

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on December 16, 2008 - 3:27pm.

TemekuT: My grandmother had a scathing putdown for anyone she perceived as being spineless, or a moral coward (which she considered the worst sin of all): She would tell them to "be a good German", the clear implication being that it's easier to turn away and do nothing or pretend as though nothing is going on, versus taking a stand on moral or ethical grounds.

The Holocaust could not have happened without the duplicity of the German people, and, to an even larger extent, their willingness to accept the Nazi's abuse of the "untermensch", those they found subhuman, such as Jews, Gypsies, Slavs, the infirm and the retarded.

What makes this incident truly repulsive is it's proximity to the Christmas season. Hell, the writer even references the Christmas season! Put down your eggnog and let's have a pogrom!

Submitted by ocrenter on December 22, 2008 - 1:21am.

this e-mail is so full of irony...

--Jim (the husband of the e-mail writer) is a REALTOR, he got his license in 2004.
--JRB the REALTOR bought their 4600 sqft home at the peak in 2005 for 1.08 million.
--6 doors down a same sized home just closed in December for 840k.

JRB and wife should be very happy that the city of Carlsbad helped prop their home value up with this purchase.

and seriously, what kind of a real estate professional pays over a million to live in the shadow of one of the busiest single runway airport in the nation.

Submitted by 4plexowner on December 22, 2008 - 8:30am.

overly-large tract houses now becoming group homes for the mentally challenged

the irony is rich!

these large houses would make fine Section 8 units as well - let's see, Section 8 allows 2 adults per living space - in a 4500 SQFT house that probably means about 20 adults and their children

or halfway houses - probably about the same 20 adults (don't worry, the residents have been rehabilitated)

or subdivide into illegal apartments - a large house like this probably has 3 or 4 bathrooms already - seal off some doors, throw up a wall or two and presto, 4 separate apartments

or mini-dorms - students and surfers would be happy living in this neighborhood and, if the price was right, wouldn't mind having 30 people or so in the same house (after 20 who's counting?)

so many possibilities ...

Submitted by bsrsharma on December 22, 2008 - 9:12am.

On a lighter (Alert: non-PC) note, this is from Chris Rock:

http://www.tmz.com/2007/03/14/rock-to-bu...

WH is still appreciating in value (at least going by the cost to lease for a 4 year term)!

Submitted by killwind on December 23, 2008 - 12:38pm.

I live in the Bressi Ranch community and I have a mentally disabled family member living with me and I also have 2 mentally disabled cousins that I grew up with, that being said I still dont want that house in my community.

Why would Carlsbad spend 800k on just one house when they could have easily provided money to other very worthy causes that need the funding. There are Drug Rehab centers,Parenting centers or even free clinics,that just 100k would fund the project for one more year. Or how about repairing our nearly 70 year old high school. How about repairing some of the streets that have pot holes that are the size of some old buicks. There are better ways that I feel my tax dollars could be used, seriously 800k for just 6 people doesnt even matter what thier issues are but thats over the top no matter how you look at it no matter your neighborhood.

Several last second notes of concern. Why arent they still living with thier families are they violent or do they have criminal records.

Why has Terry house and these 6 individuals been moved from community to community?

How can Terry house (if and when they move in)insure the safety of the children in the neighborhood?

Why did the Realtor reject 2 offers that were better than what Terry House offered?

And why did 4 of the 5 houses in escrow fall out of escrow once it was disclosed that there was a group home going in?

Submitted by NewtoSanDiego on December 23, 2008 - 1:50pm.

Hey Cbad,

How about organizing a protest? I would suggest that you get a few neighbors together, make a few signs perhaps with a the catchy phrase,
STOP THE RETARD HOUSE!!! Then again, perhaps it may be a fine home for a person such as yourself.

Submitted by Blissful Ignoramus on December 23, 2008 - 2:28pm.

Growing up, a friend of mine had such a house next door, for many years. It's probably still there and operating as such. I recall absolutely no problems at all. The house was well cared for, there was no noise, no nuthin.

Submitted by CBad on December 23, 2008 - 3:29pm.

NewtoSanDiego wrote:
Hey Cbad,

How about organizing a protest? I would suggest that you get a few neighbors together, make a few signs perhaps with a the catchy phrase,
STOP THE RETARD HOUSE!!! Then again, perhaps it may be a fine home for a person such as yourself.

Um, learn how to read or just continue to embarrass yourself.

Submitted by CBad on December 23, 2008 - 3:40pm.

Fact Sheet on TERI home in Bressi sent out from the City of Carlsbad:

TERI Group Home
Bressi Ranch
Frequently Asked Questions and Answers
The City of Carlsbad has been contacted by some residents with questions about the recent purchase
of a Bressi Ranch home by the Training Education and Research Institute (TERI) to serve six
developmentally disabled adults. To help ensure the community has accurate information, the City
has prepared this Questions &Answers document.

The Training Education and Research Institute (or TERI) is a nonprofit organization that provides
services to individuals with developmental and learning disabilities. TERI is a well respected
organization that was established and has been operating since 1980. The organization has enjoyed
substantial support throughout North County, and numerous families from Carlsbad have utilized
their services for many years. TERI has owned and operated a single family group home in the La
Costa area of Carlsbad for 27 years. The organization currently administers residential programs in
10 group homes and operates a day program for 180 adults with developmental disabilities.
Residents in TERI’s programs receive “active treatment” in both their living environment and day
programs. Active treatment supports the client in the activities of daily living through teaching,
modeling and assisting. Clients attend a day program Monday through Friday from 9:00am to
3:00pm with TERI providing transportation to and from this activity.
What funding was provided by the City and why?
TERI applied for a Community Development Block Grant or “CDBG” loan from the City of
Carlsbad in February 2008 to help them acquire another home in Carlsbad that could be used to
house up to six clients with autism and developmental disabilities. Within the application, TERI
noted that persons with developmental disabilities have a need to live as normally as possible, and
residential programs of no more than six individuals are particularly effective in building a sense of
family and community. At the time of application, TERI had not yet selected a home to purchase. It
was not possible to identify a property at the time due to the substantial processing time required
before TERI would have received confirmation of project funding. TERI, however, did provide
information on the type of home that would be suitable for the noted residence. The ideal property
was a single family home with 4 to 5 bedrooms and approximately 3 bathrooms. The selection and
purchase of the specific home was made after the funding was awarded by the City, which is
acceptable under the CDBG program.
CDBG funds are provided by the federal government to assist communities in meeting the needs of
low income households of all types, including those with special needs such as the disabled. The
application process for these funds begins in November/December of each year for the following
program year. For example, funding requested in December 2008 will not be available to the
applicant until approximately August/September of 2009. The application process is a lengthy public
process that includes review by a Citizens Advisory Committee, several public hearings before the
City Council, and general public notices on intended use(s) of the funds. In accepting the funds, the
City agrees that it will not engage in any discriminatory activity and will make every effort to
advertise availability of the funds and encourage organizations to apply for funding to meet the
diverse needs of the low income populations within the community. TERI is an eligible applicant
that submitted a project for funding that meets both national and local objectives for the CDBG
program.
The CDBG Advisory Committee, which is made up of a resident from each quadrant of the City, a
Housing Commissioner, Senior Commissioner and Planning Commissioner, recommended and City
Council approved a loan of $795,000 for TERI to acquire a home in Carlsbad. TERI was required to
demonstrate that it is using matching funds of one dollar for every two dollars of City CDBG funds.
TERI also received approval of a loan from the federal Department of Housing and Urban
Development or “HUD” for $582,900 to assist in the purchase and improvements needed to utilize
and license the property as a group home with the State of California.
Is a Group Home allowed in a residential neighborhood? Is a notice required to the neighbors?
State law and the City of Carlsbad's Zoning Ordinance both allow residential care facilities (or group
homes) serving six or fewer persons in a residential zone. For the purposes of determining the
appropriateness of the group home occupying a single family home, “family” is defined in the
Carlsbad Zoning Ordinance (Section 21.04.145) as “a reasonable number of persons who constitute
a bona fide single housekeeping unit.” The definition includes residents and operators of a
residential care facility serving six or fewer persons. Section 21.04.300 of the Carlsbad Zoning
Code defines “residential care facility” as “a state authorized, certified or licensed family care home,
foster home or group home serving mentally disordered or otherwise handicapped persons, or
dependent and neglected children where care is provided on a twenty-four hour a day basis.” This
use (group home) is permitted without any discretionary permits issued by the City. State law
prohibits the City from requiring a permit for such a use as it would be deemed discrimination
against disabled individuals. Therefore, there is no public process for approval and/or noticing to
neighbors. The use is permitted by right. Because it is comparable to any type of family moving into
a single family home, noticing of this specific family type (disabled) would be discriminatory.
How was the location selected? Why did the City allow the purchase in Bressi Ranch?
After many months of searching for a suitable home, TERI decided to purchase the property at 6205
Alverton Drive (within Bressi Ranch) for approximately $1 million. The price paid was based on a
fair market appraisal of the property as of October 7, 2008. Escrow closed on the purchase in late
November, 2008. The Group home is currently being retrofitted to meet state requirements and is
not yet occupied.
Under the Federal Fair Housing Act, it is against the law to direct homebuyers to certain
neighborhoods only, make housing unavailable, or deny a dwelling based on race/color, national
origin, religion, gender, familial status, or disability. It is also against the law to harass, coerce,
intimidate, or interfere with anyone exercising or assisting someone else with their fair housing
rights. The City and other parties (including real estate agents) to this transaction would have
engaged in a discriminatory practice if it had directed TERI to an alternate neighborhood within
Carlsbad and/or another City.
Is a $1 million home to serve six people an appropriate use of taxpayer money?
TERI operates homes in communities throughout North County. TERI’s goal is to house its clients
in the communities where their families live or where they have roots. In Carlsbad, it is fairly
expensive to provide affordable housing for low income households, especially the disabled. Based
on Carlsbad’s experience in providing low income affordable housing, it currently costs a minimum
of approximately $275,000 to produce a single rental housing unit. If we were to assume that each of
these six adults were to be housed separately, the cost is estimated at $1,650,000. The purchase of a
$1 million single, large group home is reasonable and appropriate in comparison to the construction
of individual units.
What laws and government agencies oversee group homes like this?
The California Department of Social Services licenses care facilities for persons who cannot live
alone but who do not need extensive medical services. The agency ensures community care facilities
operate according to applicable laws and regulations (California Health & Safety Code and Title 22
of the California Code of Regulations). Compliance is maintained through unannounced facility
inspections, complaint investigations, issuing deficiency notices, consultations, education and
technical support. More information is available on the department’s Web site,
http://www.ccld.ca.gov. If you have questions about licensing and monitoring of group homes, you
may contact the San Diego Residential Office for the California Department of Social Services at
(619) 767-2300. Ask for the Group Home Duty Worker.

Submitted by jetonejet on December 23, 2008 - 3:46pm.

CBAD, you are a very sad person. Why would you discriminate against the mentally handicap? Were not talking about child molesters or criminals. These are probably the same type of handycap that great you at the door at Walmart and here you are saying they dont deserve to live near you. You are sad...

Submitted by CBad on December 23, 2008 - 3:48pm.

Wow. I think it's pretty darn clear NewtoSanDiego and jetonejet that I am NOT against this project if you read the thread in full. If you haven't read the entire thread please stop commenting incorrectly.

Submitted by Ricechex on December 23, 2008 - 3:50pm.

Not sure why some of you are blasting CBad, he supports the house.

Submitted by svelte on December 23, 2008 - 3:56pm.

killwind wrote:
I live in the Bressi Ranch community and I have a mentally disabled family member living with me and I also have 2 mentally disabled cousins that I grew up with, that being said...

Well then, I guess you couldn't possibly discriminate against the disabled with a lineage like that...please continue...

killwind wrote:
...I still dont want that house in my community.

Whoops, my mistake.

killwind wrote:
Why would Carlsbad spend 800k on just one house when they could have easily provided money to other very worthy causes that need the funding.

Uh, maybe because these people need a place to LIVE in a safe and secure environment?

killwind wrote:
Why arent they still living with thier families are they violent or do they have criminal records.

Yes, the mentally challenged are required to live with their family the rest of their life, everybody knows that. Unless of course they are a criminal in which case they move to Bressi.

killwind wrote:
How can Terry house (if and when they move in)insure the safety of the children in the neighborhood?

How can you insure the safety of your children if the TERI house (please note the spelling for future reference) does not locate in Bressi?

killwind wrote:
Why did the Realtor reject 2 offers that were better than what Terry House offered?

Obviously, the owner of the house wanted to take less money just so's they could piss off their Bressi neighbors.

killwind wrote:
And why did 4 of the 5 houses in escrow fall out of escrow once it was disclosed that there was a group home going in?

I dunno. There certainly is no problem getting financing in this day and age. That couldn't be the reason.

Submitted by jetonejet on December 23, 2008 - 3:56pm.

Just not in his neighborhood right?

QUOTE: "It is vital that you come so that we can show the City of Carlsbad that this is not a small block of homeowners who are disturbed, but rather hundreds of Carlsbad residents and voters that are outraged!"

Or how about:

QUOTE: "purchase price of this home to house 6 mentally disabled adults in a neighborhood where 20 children under the age of 10 live within 5 doors proximity all directions of the house"

Sure sounds like CBAD is worried about their children because they are living next to some rapist or something.

I hardly see how CBaad supports this. I see a very disgusting person...

Submitted by CBad on December 23, 2008 - 4:02pm.

WTF? You're quite comical at this point jetonejet. Since you're a fan of quoting did you miss the part at the beginning where I said this:

"I received this email forwarded to me from some angry Bressi Ranch owners regarding a home that is to be purchased and turned into a group home for the mentally disabled:"

I'm not the author of the email nor do I live in Bressi. Is that clear enough?

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