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oh please! not more conspiracy theories!!!

I don't like Obamas socialistic policies but McCain has crook and thief written all over his face!

LOL, yes but McCain does have a Birth Certificate.

If you don't support Obama this is not the path to take. The state of Hawaii has verified the authenticity of the birth certificate. There are many other issues to discuss besides this. Dwelling on this tripe only helps Obama.

Hawaii has not verified the certificate and Obama refuses to provide an original.

That is the whole purpose of the article.

My guess is Obama was born in Indonesia or Africa.

Let me get this straight, you think that the entire democratic party (I hear there might even be some lawyers in it) is so incredibly dumb that they would run a candidate who can't actually be the president?

Please, let's hear some real arguments. The people who frequent this board are too intelligent for this kind of crap.

The National Review online (a very conservative publication) pretty much poo poohs this.

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/p...

"I spoke to Ms. Okubo late Wednesday afternoon, and she said she had seen the version of Obama’s certificate of live birth posted on the sites. While her office cannot verify the information on a form without the permission of the certificate holder (Obama), she said "the form is exactly the same" and it has "all the components of a birth certificate" record issued by the state. In other words, she sees no reason to think the version posted on Obama's web site and Daily Kos is not genuine.

The “embossed seal” in question is, she said, probably on the back of the document provided to Daily Kos, but not visible (as in another certificate posted on Israel Insider for contrast). She thinks the difference in visibility can be attributed to the pressure used when applying the seal.

I know I was one of the guys who wondered if there was something there when Obama initially refused to provide his birth certificate to PolitiFact. It seems many people continue to think that they will uncover something that will prove Obama was born in Kenya and is therefore ineligible for office of the presidency. As I wrote in the initial post, this scenario is “rather unlikely, as it would require everyone in his family to lie about this in every interview and discussion with those outside the family since young Obama appeared on the scene.” I would add this would require Obama to lie about his birthplace in every interview going back to Harvard Law."

If you're going to play that ridiculous card, let me show you my hand:

"McCain's citizenship called into question
Candidate, born in Panama Canal Zone, may not qualify as 'natural born'"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23415028/

Really.. is that all we have on these guys? Their 'OMG PHOTOSHOP' birth certificates? Give me a break. Both of these claims are ridiculous and grasping at straws. Stop with the tabloid BS and lets talk issues.

If Barak and McCain are ineligible, I bet Hillary's birth certificate is valid!

John, did you know that if you write Obama backwards it spells Amabo?

Yeah this is BS too. Both candidates are qualified citizens, mkay?

Being born in the territory of the USA gives one automatic citizenship, but there are also provisions for citizenship if you are born elsewhere, e.g. to a military family stationed overseas. The point is that McCain was not a citizen of any other nation before he was a US citizen, so he is a natural born citizen.

That information is the same as I linked. I don't see your point.

The point is Hawaii can't verify the one online as authentic and Obama refuses to release the orginial. What his he hiding??

Here is an interesting exchange between Russert and Obama.

MR. RUSSERT: You talked about Senator Clinton having records released from the Clinton Library regarding her experience as first lady, and yet when you were asked about, “What about eight years in the state senate of Illinois,” you said, “I don’t know.” Where, where are the—where are your records?

SEN. OBAMA: Tim, we did not keep those records. I...

MR. RUSSERT: Are they gone?

SEN. OBAMA: Well, let’s be clear. In the state senate, every single piece of information, every document related to state government was kept by the state of Illinois and has been disclosed and is available and has been gone through with a fine-toothed comb by news outlets in Illinois.* The, the stuff that I did not keep has to do with, for example, my schedule. I didn’t have a schedule. I was a state senator. I wasn’t intending to have the Barack Obama State Senate Library. I didn’t have 50 or 500 people to, to help me archive these issues. So...

MR. RUSSERT: But your meetings with lobbyists and so forth, there’s no record of that?

SEN. OBAMA: I did not have a scheduler, but, as I said, every document related to my interactions with government is available right now. And, as I said, news outlets have already looked at them.

MR. RUSSERT: Is your schedule available anywhere? Are—the records exist?

SEN. OBAMA: I—Tim, I kept my own schedule. I didn’t have a scheduler.

Obama doesn't have any records of his activites??? What a joke and an obvious lie. I guess when one keeps the company of terriosts, criminals and racists posing as Preachers then one needs to do hide it if they want to be president.

Here is a passage from your article.

"Sen. McCain is undoubtedly a citizen. He was born on Aug. 29, 1936, in the Panama Canal Zone, and Congress has specifically provided that anyone born there of U.S. parents, as he was, is a citizen. Indeed, the general rule is that anyone born of U.S. parents outside the United States is a citizen."

Typical Lib, just post the part you want other to see and ignore the rest even when it contradicts the info posted.

I doubt if you even read anything in the article I posted.

How do you know Obama is when he won't release his orginal??

Why even post a BC anyway?? Isn't that sort of weird? Its like the Clintons when they lie about things that don't have too. For instance, Hillary and her sniper fire, no reason to even bring that up yet she did.

I think its weird too that Obama's grandmother is not being interviewed. Are they afraid of what she may say?? You would think that bring out a white relative would help him appeal to whites yet he keeps her in the closet.

My guess is no one considered it. I mean why would it be questioned? He seems to be a honest guy, he said he was from Hawaii etc. Why even question it??

The reason its being questioned is because he, for some reason, felt compelled to post his birth certificate on the web. Why would a person confident in his citizenship even feel obliged to do that???

He has a way out but he refuses to take it. The way out being to request that Hawaii furnish him a certified copy of his bc yet he refuses to. Why? its strange. If I were him I would get the orginal and rub peoples noses in it.

jficquette.

This whole thing is ridiculous. Here is a HotAir link on

"St. Petersburg Times sort of verifies Obama’s birth certificate"

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/27/st...

Here is the problem I have with this whole thing summarized in this quote

"And there’s the rub. It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world’s biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything’s possible.

But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what’s reasonable has to take over."

In order for this accusation to be true it has to be a conspiracy "involving a vast network of people and government agencies". Please!

This jfiq guy has been posting for a couple of months now. Not much about real estate, mostly partisan political garbage like this. I think he's some sort of political party operative, infiltrating the Piggs...

One of those college republican types too, no time in the service but attacks dems for being weak on defense and not wearing flag pins and such.

LOL, I never said anything about a flag pin. You must like them. You wear a little Hobbit on your label?

My guess is no one considered it. I mean why would it be questioned?

What? WHAT? "No one considered it"

I know someone who considered it: Hillary Clinton.

If she could have raised this allegation seriously you bet she would have, that woman would do anything to win and you can bet your last dollar that she had a team of people working on finding ANYTHING they could get their hands on to take Obama down a notch. This would have been the "Easy Button" win for her if it was even plausible.

Proof by reductio ad absurdum!

I wouldn't take that site seriously. Check this quote out in the material you linked.
It shows how bias the site is.

"The irony of this argument is that even if it did prove fruitful and Obama was revealed to have been born in another country, all it would do is provoke a debate on whether the Constitution should be amended to allow naturalized citizens to run for president."

Really, this web site is really really going to investigate Obama when it doesn't even care what the turth is? Consider that this site thinks that if Obama was not a citizen they could just change the constitution. Pretty naive. It takes a lot time for constituional amendments to be added. Election is in Nov.

John

How do you know that she is not behind it??

Here is another site that has a picture of Obama's birth certificate compared to that of another person.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/21/...

Listen, I know this is a conservative site but read it and examine the pictures and consider the ramificatons if true.

A little common sense may help:

1. Let us assume he is not a natural born citizen.

2. Then he is:

3. Either an illegal immigrant (and an alien)

4. or a legal immigrant (and an alien)

5. or a naturalized citizen.

6. But he has a U.S. State department issued passport

7. So he is not 3 or 4.

8. If he is 5, there would be naturalization records and it would be easily accessible. None are known.

9. He has to be natural born. Otherwise, US State department is dumb as doornail to issue a passport to a foreigner. Also, the State of Illinois is careless enough to elect a foreigner for State & federal Senate. In which case, why bother to even worry? what is there to defend?

Typical nutjob, missing the entire point of my post. I was pointing out the absurdity of both claims and the fact that they are both proven bunk if you do your own research rather than relying on a few paragraphs written by a few "journalists". The Internets(tm) are big enough and The Googles(tm) are powerful enough that anyone can find any "evidence" to support any position.

He's a 4-star General in the 101st Fighting Keyboarders. He's probably getting "points" on MyMcCain.com for every BS thread he starts all over The Internets(tm).

Citzenship and Flag pins are pretty insignificant issues. Both candidates are well passed the sniff test. How about arguing something more thought provoking like economic philosophy on issues like job creation, Education, Healthcare, social security.

For all posters have you ever voted or supported someone other than your party affiliate? If you have not can you look back and say that you made a poor decision in hindsight. How can anyone be open minded if they go in with blinders on.

I agree with Gandalf, this is a weak post topic. Say something about Real Estate, fuquette and bring data.

For all posters have you ever voted or supported someone other than your party affiliate?

Yes, I vote Republican but am planning on voting for Obama.

duplicate

Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery.

"Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears."

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Po...

I'm a Dem but I voted for Ford (first time I could vote) over Carter, because Carter's fundamentalist Christianity scared me. I will vote in November, but I will not vote for either of the presidential candidates, because I don't like either one. I'm gonna be one of those "don't blame me" people whatever happens, just like in the last few years I have said "Don't blame me--I didn't vote for Bush either time." In those elections, I voted for the Dem...but this time, as I said, I'm not voting for either.