Beware: CityWidePros Curb Painting

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Submitted by SanDiegoDave on June 5, 2009 - 10:43am

So I back out of my garage this morning only to see this bright pink sign taped to the stucco of my house.

Gee, looks important. So I stop the car and get out to check it. Turns out to be spam.

The @ssholes - an outfit called City Wide Services - website citywidepros.com - has this sign saying they're going to be in our area tomorrow painting curb address numbers and that if we just leave them some money they'll paint a nice curb address for us.

It's obviously a scam. The website was just registered in February of this year (http://www.nsspy.org/archive/hostmonster...).

I'm calling my council member (Lightner), as well as the San Diego Chargers. These guys use the Chargers logo on their site and in their ads. I'd bet money they're not paying any licensing fees for it.

Anyone else get these? It's one thing to leave a business card on the front door. But to tape a posted sign to someone's house has got to be illegal. Am I right? Does anyone know?

Submitted by FormerSanDiegan on June 5, 2009 - 11:12am.

But to tape a posted sign to someone's house has got to be illegal.

Did they damage the house ?

Submitted by SanDiegoDave on June 5, 2009 - 11:14am.

I didn't notice any damage my house (yet). But I cannot speak to any of the other dozens of houses they did this to.

Submitted by flu on June 5, 2009 - 11:25am.

I've had better ones. We got a note from a curbside painter company stating "Warning, the fire dept requires that your number to be easily identifiable in case of emergency....XYZ curbside painting had be contacted to paint your curb numbers for $40 in compliance with the fire code and recommended by the HOA" or something to that effect.

These curbside painters are nothing more than crooks. I reported them to both the HOA and the police. Never showed up again.

The irony is that if you don't take down the flyer, they assume you want the painting, then they try to bill you afterwards. In the past I've taken a company or two to small claims court. The end result was they ended up paying my court fees plus I got a freely painted curbside number :)

Submitted by beachlover on June 5, 2009 - 8:21pm.

Don't know why you think this is a scam or that they are damaging houses. The website has only been operational a few months, but it works and has the same information as the flyer.

My personal experience and that of my neighbors... my curb side numbering was long gone so I spent $10 with this firm. they sanded down the curb. put down the white background paint, then the reflective numbers in black via stencil. looks great, in sunlight or at night. put up their flyer on my garage using blue painters tape so no chance of damage. don't know that their flyer taped to the garage is any different then the numerous other flyers or cards left on my front door, mailbox or porch.

I see it as a few guys trying to earn a buck offering a service that I will never get around to doing on my own. In my mind, $10 well spent.

Don't know that the Chargers are going to be upset that their logo is being placed on the curbs of San Diego homes. One of my neighbors choose this option and it's Charger baby blue and looks nice.

Another view on this service for Piggs to consider.

edited to note: they only paint numbers for folks who pay up front... this isn't a do the service and bill folks who didn't ask for the service. There are several neighbors who didn't opt in and their numbers are unchanged.

Submitted by fredo4 on June 5, 2009 - 9:09pm.

The thing that annoys me about these people is that the notes always say to tape the note to your curb if you DON'T want them to come.
I wouldn't have any problem with it if it was done the opposite way and you taped the paper to the curb if you wanted the service. They count on people either forgetting about taping the note or being tricked into thinking it's a city requirement to make money. I think it's completely obnoxious.

Submitted by beachlover on June 5, 2009 - 9:36pm.

fredo,
i agree, but these folks dont post and do the work and expect payment. it's clear, they post, ask for a response/payment and only do the work for those who pay.

Submitted by sobmaz on June 6, 2009 - 7:37am.

When I was a little Sobmaz, about 40 years ago, these guys came by and wanted 5.00 from my Father to paint the address to our curb.

They said everyone was doing it, we would be the only ones who didn't have it (Unlikely since everyone in the are was dirt poor) if we didn't pay and of course it would be easier for the Fire Department and Police.

Well, I know we didn't pay but a week later every house in the area had it painted on the curb, including ours.

Submitted by LuckyInOC on June 6, 2009 - 8:16am.

I had one company come by and paint our curb numbers...

Our old numbers were perfectly fine.
We indicated that we did not want it done.

They still painted it, only better...
They got the address wrong:
Should have been 2102
Was 2101

I had to paint over it until the next company
came around a painted it correctly.
Can't remember if I paid the second company.

Luck In OC

Submitted by jamesthegret on July 6, 2009 - 11:20am.

Curb Stenciling Questions To Ask.

Well this seems like a strong response for taping a sign to your stucco. But I will comment on this because of the nature of the post.

I own a legitimate curb painting and parking lot painting company. I am required to have the following things:

*carry a license with the state of California
*carry 1 million dollars of insurance for any accidents that occur on your property while working.
*carry workers compensation.

Also, If I want to work in your neighborhood I wouldn't post or drop off any kind of advertising except through paid and/or mailed advertising or via advertising to your association board.

What these guys are looking to do is make some fast, easy money. I don't think there bad guys but there are risk involved any time someone is on your property. I knew of one case where a few guys where painting curbs and one of them was hit by an elderly resident pulling in to her driveway. The fact that she had prepaid this company was enough for attorneys to show she had a contracted with the painters. As you can imagine her home insurance had to pay for the guys injuries for a very long time. This happens more often than you would believe.

Final thoughts on this would be that you should be very careful when dealing with any person working on your property. Check with your city for authorized charities that do this service or go online and look for a licensed company. With searches like "Curb Painting San Diego" or Curb Stenciling Poway" Etc. Or if you don't want to bother with all that maybe have a nephew or neighbor do it and pay them instead.

Good Luck

James
http://www.trueline.net

Submitted by CBad on July 6, 2009 - 11:51am.

We get these outfits taping or putting signs in our door about every year and have never paid them. I honestly can't even remember if they've ever painted the numbers or not? I don't think they have. I know I have never said NO I don't want it and put the sign back out there to indicate so. Pretty sure the city paints the darn numbers on the curb for free so I never understood why you'd want the cheesy custom job with the waves or rainbows and crap. I see some of the neighbors have them. What about neighborhoods that don't have sidewalks? Pretty sure the fire & police dept. finds those people. I'm 100% sure if I was accused of committing a crime the police could find my house, faded paint job or not! ;)

Submitted by CA renter on July 6, 2009 - 2:36pm.

CBad wrote:
We get these outfits taping or putting signs in our door about every year and have never paid them. I honestly can't even remember if they've ever painted the numbers or not? I don't think they have. I know I have never said NO I don't want it and put the sign back out there to indicate so. Pretty sure the city paints the darn numbers on the curb for free so I never understood why you'd want the cheesy custom job with the waves or rainbows and crap. I see some of the neighbors have them. What about neighborhoods that don't have sidewalks? Pretty sure the fire & police dept. finds those people. I'm 100% sure if I was accused of committing a crime the police could find my house, faded paint job or not! ;)

Cities generally do NOT paint addresses on curbs. In our neighborhoods in Los Angeles and here in San Diego, we always had to pay a crew (like these companies) to paint the curb.

We go overboard and paint it on the side of the curb and also along the top -- so it's easier to see from up high, and is less likely to be rubbed off by tires. We also have large, reflective numbers on our mailbox and have the standard numbers on our house.

Why? My DH, who works in emergency services, insists on it. He said that many calls are indeed delayed because the homes/businesses do not clearly display their addresses. They do have satellite images in many emergency vehicles now, but it does not make up for clearly visible address signs -- think about finding the **exact** house in the dark while relying on the google-type images we see on RE sites.

Just my 2 cents.

Submitted by CBad on July 6, 2009 - 3:09pm.

Well, someone is occasionally painting the number on my curb and I haven't paid them for it. I assumed it was the city. If not, thanks anonymous painter dude; you are doing a bang up job.

Submitted by SanDiegoDave on July 6, 2009 - 10:10pm.

A business taping an ad sign to the front of someone's house without permission is not acceptable under any circumstances.

How would you defenders of these sleazy assholes feel if someone taped a "Palin 2012" sign to the front of your house? Or how about a sign decrying or promoting abortion, or hard liquor, or a porn site? And how big of a sign is acceptable to you? What if the curb painting sign was 10x20 feet? Too big? What is the cutoff? Tell me: why the should anyone other than the homeowner be the one to determine what signs get posted to the front of their homes?

I "work hard" too. But I don't do it via anonymous sleazebag tactics like these creeps. They leave no phone number on their flyer and no legitimate contact information with their web registry or anywhere on the site. A legitimate business does not need to operate in secrecy like that. But a business looking to scam people or operating with nefarious tactics? Anonymity is Rule #1.

These shitbags can go to hell as far as I'm concerned. If I ever catch them in the act of taping something to my home I can assure you they'll be quickly seeking a career change by the time I'm done with them.

Submitted by flu on July 7, 2009 - 8:17am.

How difficult is it to paint a curb number?

Two cans of reflective paint from rust-oleum will set you back like $6 tops. And you can download a bunch of stencils from online....I mean, I can't believe there are businesses to do this. Only in america i guess.

Submitted by beeMustangbee on November 14, 2010 - 11:18am.

I doubt that's illegal, it is illegal however to put anything in a person's mailbox, but how can you get mad at someone for trying to make money somehow. Especially with how things in the economy are going. Now a days people are getting mad at anyone who is ASKING for your help to CONTRIBUTE to their business, like myself I have a curb painting business but it's too small for me to actually get any liscences. If you do your research you will find that to get a liscence you have to make a certain amount of money. So I believe that answers that, and why they left it on your house rather than giving it to you or putting it in your mailbox, well maybe you and everyone else should consider that maybe the people who are curb painting have had a very hard time finding a job, and result in this. I come across alot of mean people thinking i am scamming, but how is it scamming if the job is getting done, nothing in life is free so you shouldn't expect your curb to be painted for free when you obviously can't do it yourself why not help another and pay them to do THEIR job instead of expecting them to do it for free or not even bother, there gonna try, because they have no other choices at the moment. i hope you sleep well tonight now knowing that you have no reason to be mad at someone for attempting to work rather than ask you for money on the street.!!!!

Submitted by beeMustangbee on November 14, 2010 - 11:20am.

I doubt that's illegal, it is illegal however to put anything in a person's mailbox, but how can you get mad at someone for trying to make money somehow. Especially with how things in the economy are going. Now a days people are getting mad at anyone who is ASKING for your help to CONTRIBUTE to their business, like myself I have a curb painting business but it's too small for me to actually get any liscences. If you do your research you will find that to get a liscence you have to make a certain amount of money. So I believe that answers that, and why they left it on your house rather than giving it to you or putting it in your mailbox, well maybe you and everyone else should consider that maybe the people who are curb painting have had a very hard time finding a job, and result in this. I come across alot of mean people thinking i am scamming, but how is it scamming if the job is getting done, nothing in life is free so you shouldn't expect your curb to be painted for free when you obviously can't do it yourself why not help another and pay them to do THEIR job instead of expecting them to do it for free or not even bother, there gonna try, because they have no other choices at the moment. i hope you sleep well tonight now knowing that you have no reason to be mad at someone for attempting to work rather than ask you for money on the street.!!!!

Submitted by flinger on November 14, 2010 - 2:40pm.

beeMustangbee wrote:
Internet emorage

I nominate this post as "Piggington bump of the year 2010"

Submitted by meadandale on November 15, 2010 - 7:52am.

beeMustangbee wrote:
like myself I have a curb painting business but it's too small for me to actually get any liscences. If you do your research you will find that to get a liscence you have to make a certain amount of money.

There is rarely any kind of earning threshold that applies to licenses. If you are engaging in a business that the city requires you to be licensed for...then you have to be licensed, regardless of whether you are profitable or not.

And, trust me, if you are doing business in the city of San Diego, they want their license/fee revenue and they WILL come after you for payment even years down the road. I know from personal experience...

Submitted by A Capatalist on June 3, 2014 - 12:41am.

If you have a concern, why don't you be an adult, and voice it to them when they come through to paint the curbs? It never ceases to amaze me, how, not only does the California Government stamp out small business, but even the citizens?

If the guy (or people) is taking his time to put out signs, and do a valid service for people, why, for the love of God would you try and hurt them? Do you REALLY believe that their tape is hurting peoples houses? Would you rather they just sat around smoking pot (it's totally legal with a card here right?), collecting welfare, pumping out babies from numerous parents for society to take care of? Everything I just mentioned is totally legal, and doesn't involved putting ANY tape on your stucco.

Don't you ever wonder why small business struggles so bad in So Cal?

I think we have simply been too fat and happy for far too long. We have forgot about service, and struggle, and loving our neighbors. God help our country. Save us from us!

Submitted by spdrun on June 3, 2014 - 7:16am.

^^^

Holy crap, zombie thread resurrected. But I have to say I'm 100% in agreement, live and let live. Advertising real services shouldn't be a crime, though it may be obnoxious.

Submitted by flu on June 3, 2014 - 7:41am.

I'm waiting for a day when one of those people that stick a flyer on my car accidentally drops the windshield wiper on my windshield hard, to the point that it leaves a crack on the windshield....

I could use a new windshield on one of my cars, and I don't feel like paying for it myself :(

Submitted by spdrun on June 3, 2014 - 7:42am.

I get flyers all the time and I've never had glass damage from them.

Submitted by njtosd on June 3, 2014 - 11:49am.

beachlover wrote:

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Don't know that the Chargers are going to be upset that their logo is being placed on the curbs of San Diego homes. One of my neighbors choose this option and it's Charger baby blue and looks nice.

Definitely sounds like unauthorized use of a trademark - unless they have a license, which I doubt. Suggests sponsorship or approval of the number painting company by the trademark owner. Trademark owners (unlike copyright and patent owners) have an affirmative duty to police their marks and stop unauthorized uses that might cause confusion. And NFL teams are pretty vigorous in defending their marks.

Submitted by lynette_pb on September 8, 2014 - 1:56pm.

About the same time you posted your comment, I was in the middle of a divorce and was battling to save my son's childhood home. Every morning my house was PLASTERED with unsolicited "offers of help" - printed on neon colored paper for all my longtime neighbors to see - saying my home was in foreclosure (when it was not, yet). I can't tell you how demoralizing and embarrassing this was for me. I called the company who posted they flyers - many times, asking them to please stop - top no avail. I called the police and was told it was not illegal for them to tape these obnoxious signs all over my windows, front door, patio doors - anywhere they could access (even by climbing a small fence onto my patio). It was really upsetting and there was nothing I could do about it. Hopefully by now the laws have changed, but I totally understand why you were unhappy with those who posted solicitations on your stucco wall. At least they used painter's tape - my attackers were not so considerate. To this day. I cannot understand what would make one person think it's okay to prey and attack another human being who is obviously in crisis already. In the end, I lost my home. It would have been better had I at least been able to preserve some level of privacy and self respect. Thanks to these monsters, neighbors I'd known for many years had a front row seat to what should have been a very personal matter. My son, now grown, still remembers his mother, in tears, going out in my robe at he crack of dawn each morning to tear down the signs left in the middle of the night. Nice.

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