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AmEx rates credit risk by where you live, shop (and your mortgagor)User Forum Topic
Submitted by HarryBosch on October 7, 2008 - 3:03pm
Credit-card firm confirms members' mortgage lenders also may be a factor. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27055285/ As the global credit crunch reaches from Wall Street to Main Street, guilt by association has become a tool for evaluating the creditworthiness of American Express customers. Among other criteria, cardholders are seeing limits reduced because of where they live, where they shop and who holds their mortgage. “Absolutely unbelievable!” said Jesse Gilleland of suburban Washington, D.C., who says revisions of his American Express accounts and credit limits, at least partly for those reasons, could force him to close his once-thriving computer-consulting firm. A letter sent to Gilleland by American Express, one of the nation’s largest credit-card issuers, includes these reasons why the spending limit on his Platinum Card was reduced: “Our credit experience with customers who have made purchases at establishments where you have recently used your card.” American Express spokeswoman Kim Forde confirmed that the company is analyzing its exposure to risk more closely as it reviews its cardholders’ credit profiles, including considerations it has always weighed — from payment history to credit bureau reports and income. But, she said, “We are looking at some other factors, too, in light of the economy. We are looking at consumers holding subprime mortgages (and) those living in areas where there has been a greater deterioration in home prices.” Asked about the letter to Gilleland, which cites shopping practices and merely obtaining a mortgage from a lender who also loans to other borrowers with "credit risk," Forde said, “You have to remember that this is one contributing factor. That’s not the sole reason, but it’s certainly data that we’re looking at.” Limits revised for 20 percent each year Limit reductions have pinched cardholders like Gilleland, who said he counted on three American Express accounts to fund startup and travel costs of his firm, based in Stafford, Va. Earlier this year, American Express shut two of the accounts and began lowering the limit on the third to match the balance as he paid it down. When he saw the letter outlining the reasons, he was stunned. He contacted msnbc.com in response to a solicitation asking small-business owners to talk about their challenges in the current financial crisis. Gilleland said he has had an American Express Platinum Card for about six years. “I’ve never had a problem," he said. "They’ve never imposed a limit on me before." His computer security and data recovery work is “profitable, it’s busy,” he said. "I burn through between $6,000 and $8,000 in travel each month,” which is billed to his clients, he added. He has relied on credit cards to pay for that before being reimbursed and said “it’s been very painful” to have his limit continuously lowered, making his business less viable. Consumer advocates and credit experts contacted by msnbc.com said they had never seen the profiling considerations cited as contributing to a credit limit reduction, but they were not surprised. “It’s horrible,” said Linda Sherry, spokeswoman for the advocacy group Consumer Action. “It seems horribly unfair, but they are the ones doing the lending and there’s nothing under the law that can prevent them from doing that.” Greg McBride, senior financial analyst with the personal finance Web site Bankrate.com, said, “This is something that’s coming across the radar screen as more and more consumers are being denied credit or seeing existing credit scaled back as a result of specific purchase behavior or other entities that they do business with. … Card issuers across the board are playing defense now. Nobody’s giving out credit like it’s candy anymore.” Ed Mierzwinski, federal consumer program director with the U.S. Public Interest Research Group, said, “There’s no question that this type of behavioral score is used by everyone. They just don’t like to admit it. … It sounds like American Express is dialing up the impact.” Dialing up 'the ding' Gilleland was mystified about what among his own purchases may have drawn attention from American Express’ risk analysis system. “I’ll tell you where 90 percent of my purchases are: Avis, Hertz, Target and Best Buy,” he said. He also is irritated that a mortgage he obtained from the embattled lender Countrywide — now owned by Bank of America — had apparently brought scrutiny because it was a refinancing to get out of an adjustable-rate loan and into a 30-year fixed product.
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It's not far out to envision people's FICO scores based on the type of mortgages they hold:
1. 15 year fixed with 20% down - higher FICO
2. 15 year fixed with 10% down - medium FICO
3. 30 year fixed with 20% down - lower FICO
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