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	~Navigation~ Home Commentary Housing market Credit market VoiceofSanDiego.org Bubble primer FAQ User forums ~User login~ Username: * Password: * Create new account Request new password ~RSS~ piggington.com articles		A Clairemont Guy in Carmel Valley User Forum Topic Submitted by sdduuuude on March 16, 2008 - 12:54am A perspective on Carmel Valley from a Clairemontie. (And I’d love to hear realtors chime in about these properties.) So today was an interesting day. I went house "shopping" in Carmel Valley for the first time. Our long term outlook may bring us out of Clairemont into the San Dieguito school district, though it need not really happen until mid 2014. (We have an ideal, non-standard school situation for our 6 year-old twins until Sep. 2014). Still, we are considering adding space to our home and wanted to determine if an earlier move from Clairemont to Carmel Valley would be feasible. Such a move late next year would allow us to avoid putting money into a remodel that could later be used for a down payment. Our perspective: 1) We don’t need a massive house. 2000 – 2500- sq. ft w/ a 3-car garage would do. Well, I’d be happy with a 1800 sf + 5- car garage, but there’s a wife involved. 2) We do need some lot space. Our 1-story, 1200 sq ft. house is on a 10,000 sq. ft canyon lot and we have 24 feet between houses to the right and left. If needed, I could park about 11 cars on my property, and not 1 of them would be in the garage. 3) Past our back fence, which is 30' past the deck, which is about 30' away from the house, our closest neighbors to the rear are about 200’ away, separated by canyon shrubbery in land-locked space. 4) We really don’t want to live too far north due to commutes. Just for the heck of it I looked on a map where this San Elijo Hills place is. Who would want to live in BF-Egypt out there at any price? Not me. To me, that’s not San Diego. For the same size house, I’d rather live in Phoenix. Honestly. I would. 5) Would be nice if we could hang on to our house as a rental and a potential retirement home. 6) I haven’t thought much about price range. We only have about $100K for a down right now, but lets say we could buy an 800K house next year. 5289 Foxhound Way We started in Derby Hill because it is at the south end of the district. This was an open house in a 3523 Sq. Ft place priced at $1.3M. Is this a short sale ? I looked back and found a Piggington discussion on Derby Hill saying the new phases were sold at 1.5M ? Pictures from Google show dirt lots with a 2007 copyright date so it was bought recently. My thoughts on this one: Who pays $1.3M to have your rear neighbor 30’ away watch you from his balcony while you sit in your living room ? Really. WTF ? For 800K, I’ll still pass on it. The house was really well decorated, though and we drooled over all the interior space – nearly 3x what I live in now. Still, the space seem poorly used – the two-car garage was undersized and really, just how many square feet do you need to take a crap? 13088 Sunset Point Place and 2 on Evening Sky Court A cruise up and down Del Mar Heights Rd. led us to three places on Evening Sky Court and Sunset Point Way. These were nifty lots because they had some buffer space around them. We felt less like the neighbors were in our house. Still to us they were friggin huge at 3500-3700 sq. ft and out of our range at $1.5 – $1.7 Mil. Again Google shows dirt lots on these places so they are pretty new – surprised to see them on the market. I’d be interested to see the loan situation at 13088 Sunset Point Place. Pictures of a young couple lead me to believe they were in over their heads. GENERAL COMMENTS We never really saw anything in our price range simply because we probably passed them by. Literally every neighborhood we saw had us marveling at how close together the houses were, assuming we could probably afford them, but knowing we’d never live there. Is there a small house on a big lot anywhere in this part of SD? A little neighborhood on or near Tynebourne Circle and Benchley Road seemed more like our price range, but still remarkably cramped. A home listed at $850K was twice as big as our Clairemont home, on a lot less than half the size. Looking at Zillow - 3949 Gaffney Ct seems like it could be livable. It has a nice big yard but alas, it is not for sale. I’m sure we’d see better options if a realtor guided our sightseeing, though I’m skeptical that anything would really capture our attention at a reasonable price - any hints out there ? We drove down San Dieguito road into Fairbanks but didn’t bother stopping – way out of our league. At this point, I uttered a curse towards raptorduck that my wife didn’t understand. Lot on 4670 Sun Valley Rd. Driving up Sun Valley Road (We like the non-cookie-cutter look of this area), north of Via De La Valle, I hit the brakes when I saw a lot for sale: http://www.ascentrealestate.net/search.a... Now this I’m excited about. Buy a lot, design my own damn house the way I want it and general-contract it myself to save some money while renting nearby. Turns out someone bought the place for $1.4M million last year and has it listed for $1.6M now. Zillow and Google photos show a house on it!?!?! The realtor’s web site says “small house and trees cleared off the lot.” Did they buy it for 1.4M with a house, then rip the house down, and think it is $200K better? Can anyone tell me some history on this? Was the house actually there for the last purchase? Neighboring properties (with actual houses) had Zillow Values in the $1.5M – $2.5M range. Can I sub-divide that sucker ? At this point, my best strategy seems to be: spend $50,000 now to give us more interior space in Clairemont, plan on renting in Carmel Valley for 6th and 7th grade, then move back to Clairemont and drop $80K (probably be $120K then) over 4 years to send the kids to a private high school. ‹ Best Area to Retire in San Diego Agent Remarks › Login or register to post comments « first ‹ previous 1 2 Not sure if this is the Submitted by cyphire on March 17, 2008 - 10:07am. Not sure if this is the proper forum.. But since I opened the door and I have been lazy, remiss, and too busy playing Halo3 to join the forum in the last few months - I have officially bought a house in Middleton (outside of Madison) WI. I have obsessed and hated the idea of buying anything here in SD.... This is one sick, twisted, insane market! Here is my history: Bought a house in 2001 in Carmel Valley. It was in a nice neighborhood and close to Ashley Falls Elementary. 810K, but original carpet and kitchen from 1990 when it was built. I think that the houses in Carmel valley, especially the ones built by Baldwin were built out of paper mache and spit. I was unhappy about paying 810K - but that was the market and it was on it's way up. We remodeled along the way and put about $250K into the house - custom kitchen, turned the 2 story bedroom/loft into another room above us and pushed the kitchen out 10 feet to the backyard. Was pretty unhappy with Ashley Falls, it was supposed to be the best elementary school - I found it full of pretty, young teachers who were mostly just babysitters... Union babysitters. Started down the private school path - my kids went to The Rhoades School in Encinitas, which meant a commute up through Rancho Santa Fe every day. Sold the house for 1.4M in 2004. Bought in Olivenhain for 2M. Daughter started bishops 1.5 years later (7th grade) and decided after 3 months of commuting to La Jolla that I didn't like living out in the country and commuting. Sold the house in Olivenhain for 2,050,000 which after a good deal on Realtor fees, only put me 30K in the hole after the 2 years (.lol.) Have been renting in La Jolla with the money in my pocket from the sale of my company to buy a house. But we are in a market which I consider somewhat crazy to buy in right now. It's not just the high prices, its the high prices for terrible houses and even worse lots. I couldn't in my right mind buy in Carmel valley again. The houses are 7 feet from each other, the lots are insanely small, and it's just too many houses all too similar for my taste. I don't think the value is there. I am tired of people saying "you are paying for the sunshine". While i agree that it is great weather - I think that the premium is too high and the likelihood of the values dropping a ton is still there - all while financing huge amounts of money and living in a state / county which is on the edge financially of going somewhat bankrupt. The final straw was the education system. I am tired of paying almost 30K / year for private school because the public schools are so deficient - more importantly, my daughter isn't thrilled with the private school experience and my son probably isn't a great candidate for the private school - so I would have one in a school she doesn't want, and the other in public school which would fail him. We just bought a house in Madison (Middleton) WI. I'm not crazy about buying there either! Prices continue to go up there, but the high end of the market is very flat. Getting exactly what I wanted would mean building - and I don't feel like building right now. We found a house which doesn't have every feature I want, but between what it has and what I am adding to it, it will be very nice. It's 6,000 sq ft, with a 3 car garage and about 70 feet from one neighbor and 40 feet from the other. This is considered big houses on smallish lots (like CV), but I don't want to take care of a big property again (like Olivenhain). The house was just finished, but we are adding on some space and some features. The price of the house was $749K and the upgrades, sun room, wiring, custom kitchen and steamroom ect will be another $105K. This works out to about $160/sq ft, and while I didn't want to buy - I can't put my kids on hold anymore. My son starts Middle school in Sept and my daughter starts 9th grade (high school). It's the perfect time to put down some roots where I have some family (my wifes brother and family lives there and we enjoy them a lot) and finish raising the kids. Medium and longer range time frame is to pick up a condo for around 1M (hopefully prices keep falling and some nice units come on the market in 1 or 2 years) so we can have 2 homes and a place to go after the kids graduate and we either sell or just keep Middleton. The neighborhood is the nicest in Middleton (IMO) and the school is one of the 3 best in WI. We are 4 miles from the school, 7 miles from the capitol building and downtown, 1 mile from Starbucks, shopping, and the new Costco (yeah!). Money magazine just ranked Middleton as the #1 place in the US to live! That's not why I am moving there - but it helps my mind. It was ranked #1 for the college, commute (nothing is more than a 10 min drive), education system, family parks and facilities, its the bicycle capital of the US, the food is great, it has great lakes and other nice features. It is 45 min away from Wisconsin Dells which is a resort area with giant water parks (think Rickey Bobby) and casinos! The downside? The weather and bugs. Not happy about each, but I'm not from CA originally (NY) and am used to weather. I also don't mind winters as if I work, it would be from home and will have heated floors! If I had to get up at 6am and drive I wouldn't do it! By the way - the winter is harsh, but only really part of December, Jan, Feb, and part of March. The summer, spring and fall are awesome. I also like weather, rain storms, all the rest of it. I miss breezes where you actually can smell the air etc. The final issue for us was the people. I have great friends here and find the people in San Diego to be really nice on the whole, but it's not Madison. Madison is very, very liberal, very intellectual, and the people are way, way too nice! It's scary how nice the people in the midwest are. I think that it's the best thing I can do for my kids which is the only reason we are moving there for the next 8-9 years! Wish me luck! Login or register to post comments JWM in SD Quite honestly Submitted by JWM in SD on March 17, 2008 - 10:09am. JWM in SD Quite honestly sdduuuude, this should really be last thing you are thinking about. For everyone on this thread, with the exception of FLU, go look at some of the other posts in the past two days about Bear Stearns and Fed and ponder on the implications there for a little while. It might help put the proper frame of reference on where priorities lie...and it ain't what the prices in CV are doing right now. Login or register to post comments cyphire - Congrats on your Submitted by jpinpb on March 17, 2008 - 10:31am. cyphire - Congrats on your move and home purchase. Sounds great. I have a very good friend from Wisconsin. I met him in S.D. He ended up going back there to Madison to the University. He loved it there. Ended up graduating and now works for Lockheed in NJ. One of my best friends is from Wisconsin and she is so nice. I have to agree w/you that people from Wisconsin are almost too nice, which is a good thing and rare. I hear nothing but good things about Wisconsin, the lakes and fishing, etc. And particularly berries in August. About CV, I had a Baldwin twinhome way back when. How did you ever expand? They were built on postage stamp lots. But I don't think they were any worse than Pardee. I don't think Baldwin used polybutelene piping for their plumbing. Where from NY? Brooklyn here. Family still back there (NJ now). They love the seasons and won't give it up. Login or register to post comments Wish me luck! Good luck Submitted by Blogstar on March 17, 2008 - 10:42am. Wish me luck! Good luck Cy!It sounds good. What is your daughters difficulty Cy and how do you think it will be better? Is she just more down to earth than her peers? Interesting comments about private schools on this thread. The pecking order stuff happens everywhere though. We just have to be involved and do the best we can with it whatever our supposed positions in it are. What FLU was saying made me think of an experience I had in public school. I was a welfare kid. I move into a new school in the 7th grade and joined the band. I went from 3rd chair trumpet to first in a semester. Would that have been permitted in a private school or even a "good" school district?Do parents really go "mano a mano" over this stuff?Maybe the other ghetto kids just couldn't relate to Burt Bacharach? Also made me think...If your kids are snubbed by the majority rich(er) kids do they migrate to the worst of the worst in the private schools?Of course, that depends on the family to some degree. They could potentially have great friends in public schools without running a as much of a pecking order gauntlet? Login or register to post comments I grew up WI, liked it Submitted by ibjames on March 17, 2008 - 4:33pm. I grew up WI, liked it there, but grew tired of the winters. One thing that your children will miss is the culture. There is no where near the culture in WI as in CA, so they won't have access to things out there like they do here. No sushi or thai, unless you get noodles & co. pad thai. As far as little local places to go eat, not many, WI has a lot of food chains, not much more. I think they banned smoking in restaurants, they did it before, but it didn't stick, hopefully it does this time. Madison is an awesome city, my wife sometimes discuss if we were ever to move back where would we live, and Madison or Milwaukee would be the choice. It has a nice lake, is clean, and it seems like education is in the air. That said, the winters are long, weeks of grey, 12 noon and it's almost dark as night, days of being inside. Last but not least, winter weight. I don't have kids, so of course my opinion differs. I grew up there, and when I came out here I felt robbed, I didn't realize how white the area I grew up in was. All the asian comments on this site blow me away sometimes, I never had access to an asian population to know their quirks. Hearing the talks you guy have, I dread the time my wife and I do decide to have kids though. BTW: 6000 sq. ft. house? WTF? Who needs that? Shaq? Login or register to post comments Hey FLU, Your comments about Submitted by flu on March 17, 2008 - 11:12pm. Hey FLU, Your comments about the Chinese made me chuckle quite a bit. I think CA is a bit worse than where I grew up (Texas). I went to dinner with my brother in law's folks and my sister (who was out of town) called me to ask that I tell them that I was a lawyer instead of a grad student (I was a non-practicing one who had gone back for a grad degree). I was pretty surprised by the request, but my sister had been criticized by her in-laws for getting a PhD instead of an MD, so she was being really sensitive. All they could talk about was the fact that I gave up a lawyer's salary to go back to a grad school stipend. Absolutely boggled their mind. Seems like personal happiness is a strange concept. Never mind the fact that I drive a Mazda3 when I could be driving a BMWer instead--that just accentuated my weirdness. That's why I don't hang out with too many Chinese at all. My friend, I need to buy you a beer sometime. I promise, I will dye my hair blond and not talk about "money". I have to find a Ford Focus rental car though, otherwise you might think i fit the "stereotype". selfportrait ----- Sour grapes for everyone! Login or register to post comments Interesting comments about Submitted by flu on March 17, 2008 - 11:29pm. Interesting comments about private schools on this thread. The pecking order stuff happens everywhere though. We just have to be involved and do the best we can with it whatever our supposed positions in it are. What FLU was saying made me think of an experience I had in public school. I was a welfare kid. I move into a new school in the 7th grade and joined the band. I went from 3rd chair trumpet to first in a semester. Would that have been permitted in a private school or even a "good" school district?Do parents really go "mano a mano" over this stuff?Maybe the other ghetto kids just couldn't relate to Burt Bacharach? Also made me think...If your kids are snubbed by the majority rich(er) kids do they migrate to the worst of the worst in the private schools?Of course, that depends on the family to some degree. They could potentially have great friends in public schools without running a as much of a pecking order gauntlet? This is what exactly is putting me on the fence in this one. Cyphire, you mentioned your daughter hated private schools. Do you mind sharing why? As far as CV public schools. I'm finding out even among public schools, they jockey around the best teachers/principals/special programs over yup donations. This is sort of irritating, at the same time I'm not sure a private school is reality for the kid. Anyway, I got a couple of years to think about it. selfportrait ----- Sour grapes for everyone! Login or register to post comments Thanks for your kind words Submitted by cyphire on March 18, 2008 - 12:52am. Thanks for your kind words jpinpb! Our house was on Concannon Court - was built in 1990 and had a 13,000 sq ft lot, but a lot of it was hill. The new people who bought it from us terraced the back lot and put a swimming pool in. I grew up in Long Island (Smithtown), but my folks were from Brooklyn - my dad from Sheepshead Bay and my mom from Coney Island Ave. My family followed me here to SD! But they moved up to Irvine. I have my brother-in-law in Madison, we are great friends. ----- Hey Rustico! Sorry I have been so remiss at checking in at the forum. Bishops is very cliquey and she has friends - just doesn't like the way that the groups judge and stick together. She gets crap for being friends with some 7th graders (she is in 8th grade), and while she has 2 great friends - she doesn't like being in a school where there are so few kids. I think that the whole 8th grade is just 30 or 40 kids. There are kids there which are on scholarships, there are kids there that have access to private jets. My daughter is pretty down to earth and quite frankly I don't want her in the So. Cal lifestyle anymore. Some of the girls come from the Evans school - which is somewhat dangerously religious. I don't like the family values they espouse. I don't think that the really rich kids snub anyone, but I could be wrong. The very wealthy kids are pretty nice - but it's still a pretty bizarre situation there. I'm hoping a very large but really nice high school in the Midwest is a good move for her. She really wants to go to public school and I don't want to let her go to Torrey Pines or the equivalent. -- And ibjames.... I don't want to disagree with you because I am sure that the winters will be very tiresome and the bugs will drive me crazy... but.... I like weather (when I am outdoors which isn't that often!). I have been in Wisconsin about 6 times for at least 1 or 2 weeks each time in the winter - the dead of winter and it was 0 degrees or less... Didn't bother me. It was warm inside! I am an indoor person and the reason I got a 6000 sq ft house is that I am going to have a 10' steam shower with body sprays and a sound system, a theater room, a huge basement with a pool table and bar, a very custom master bedroom with a walk out 4 season room with heated floors and sealed gas fireplaces (with remote control) and 6 bedrooms and a room just for my 2 pianos, my books and my couch I have had since I was a single dude in NYC! As for culture - I think that the culture out here is missing a few bulbs. My wife and I have season tickets to the Old Globe and I really enjoy the theater scene, but outside of that where is the culture? Madison is a 2 hour drive from Chicago (a real city), and a couple of hour plane ride to NYC (where there is real culture). While Wisconsin might be lacking in culture, Madison is not. Its a very cool college town. It has a new state of the art performance center which is supposed to be one of the three best in the US (donated by the American Girl owner lady..) There is a theater scene very similar to San Diego (Spamalot is there now) and because of the University it has rabid sports fans, and lots of intellectual discourse. As to the food scene what might be true for Wisconsin in general, doesn't apply to Madison. When I moved from NYC to San Diego I was afraid that the food wouldn't be up to my enjoyment level - I was wrong... The food is great here in SD (not at the high end, but I would rather go to San Francisco or NYC for those meals), and in Madison it is no different. Had some of the best sushi of my life there last month (and I eat a LOT of sushi!), there is a Vietnamese restaurant which was the equivalent of any in NYC, a Ruth Chris steakhouse, French restaurants, as well as some amazing restaurants downtown. There is a hard to get into Italian restaurant which had better food then any I have found here in SD. The other cool thing is that I am out in the country but a 10 minute drive to the capital building. The good restaurants are at least as expensive as SD (maybe even a bit more) but they have to ship stuff there - especially fish. Madison is 100% smoke free even in bars. This was another important criteria for me. The surrounding suburbs are just going there -and the governor of WI is trying to make the whole state smoke free! I totally understand your feedback though (especially as it relates to outside the 25 mile radius of Madison proper)... But without trying to be a snob - seriously I'm not! I live in La Jolla and the only time I go north of Rancho Santa Fe is to go play poker at Ocean's 11! And I don't usually ever hang out east of the 5. I would probably kill myself if I lived in the country in Wisconsin. Same thing for Temecula or Vista. The reason I'm moving to Middleton is for the kids and it's proximity to the downtown, the university, and all the services I like. For their schooling and for their having great, nice friends. Type in "middleton, wi" into google, go to maps and you will see what I am talking about. It was rated #1 by Money Magazine for a reason - best place to raise kids. I plan on spending every time the kids are off from school in the Bahamas anyway!!! Login or register to post comments cyphire - being a former Submitted by jpinpb on March 18, 2008 - 8:15am. cyphire - being a former NYer, I have to agree that So Cal is culture starved. People here say we have culture and to them it is b/c they have never lived in NY. San Francisco is the best California has to offer as far as west coast version of NY. Every time I go visit back east, I do miss so much of it. Still not enough global warming to make me live there and endure 5 months of winter. I just know starting from Thanksgiving, sometimes as early as Halloween, the weather gets too cold for me, and that doesn't usually get any better til April after Easter (not counting this year in March) I like to do outdoor activities and sun too much, otherwise, that would be the place to be. Scraping ice off car windows, shoveling show, icy roads, all that. I admit, I'm a wuss and can't handle it. I thought I could do it and I tried to go back from '93 to '95. As far as weather, I think I'm spoiled. Been in So Cal since '76. I just try to go back and visit as much as possible every year. Good that you have family in Madison. Your money will go a lot farther there and be able to travel more. The thing I notice is that most people live here and don't travel elsewhere much. Since I have traveled, I know San Diego is not the end-all be-all. I respect your decision and very selfless of you, really any parent, to live somewhere for the betterment of children. I don't have any. If I did, I'd probably do the same, especially formative younger years, I hear is critical. Login or register to post comments OK, it makes sense now. If Submitted by ibjames on March 18, 2008 - 11:01am. OK, it makes sense now. If you like it inside, then WI is the place. I do miss the italian there, WI and IL have great italian restaurants. A large population resides in SouthEast WI. As far as some of the restaurants, I didn't know some of those places have popped up. I'm glad to hear it! I'm also glad to hear about the no smoking law, that is a huge difference! If it becomes no smoking across the state that'll make things much more attractive. I didn't mean to sound rude, Madison is a great place. You have to take the time to check out a Badger football game. I once read an email that WI is the only place that you get help from someone in a store, and they don't even work there! Login or register to post comments Ahhh, Madison. Some of my Submitted by Ash Housewares on March 18, 2008 - 3:39pm. Ahhh, Madison. Some of my fondest memories are of that place. Sip a beer at the Union Terrace overlooking Lake Mendota on a crisp fall afternoon, then walk over to state street for any kind of ethnic food you can imagine. Mix that with Packer/Badger football, the intellectual curiosity that permeates the place, and the nicest people in the world. Stir, and you have a the recipe for a heaven cocktail. You may even have Barry Alvarez for a neighbor! Login or register to post comments This sound like such a great Submitted by jpinpb on March 18, 2008 - 3:52pm. This sound like such a great place, it makes me want to move there. But I did talk to my friend about it and she said that I couldn't handle it, the cold. Is it that bad? I guess I have to come to terms w/my shortcoming. The weather has kept me from living in some great cities. Besides, I get claustrophic being indoors. Maybe some more global warming will change all that. Login or register to post comments I don't understand all those Submitted by Ash Housewares on March 18, 2008 - 4:22pm. I don't understand all those "couldn't handle the cold" comments. Yes it's colder, but you wear more clothes so it feels the same. You spend an extra minute putting on a jacket, hat, and maybe a scarf before you go out. With all that on, you're no colder than you would be walking around CA in a t-shirt in winter. Plus, I'm like cyphire, I like weather and seasons. Would you rather have a 65F sunny Christmas, or have a snow falling outside as you unwrap gifts by a fire? For now I'd take the snow and fireplace, maybe when I'm older I'd like the warm sun. Login or register to post comments My experiences are old by Submitted by DWCAP on March 18, 2008 - 4:52pm. My experiences are old by todays standards, but I think they still kinda apply to todays private schools. My brother is 12 years older than I, and went to the local public school. He got perfect A's, but my dad is a DVM, my mom a banker, and they knew he was learning nothing. So they went to parent teacher night, and were the ONLY ones there! They pulled him out, and got a call from the principal pleading for them not to since he was the best student in the grade. They put him in private school and he tested almost 2 years back. Granted it was a great school, but he was supposedly the best in his class! This was in the 1980's, so I laugh when people say that schools are starting to fail, they have been for a long time. Needless to say I was never allowed to go to public school. I have no information about public schools, however I can shed a few pieces about private schools. 1)The world is alot smaller. As Cypher said, it was clicky. People knew people through siblings and church and such, to a point it was almost sick. I had 21 kids in my 8th grade class, 69 in my HS class. I knew them backwards and forwards and they could read me like a book. On the other hand, I still talk to them, cry and laugh with them, and a number of them know that if they ever need me ill be on a plane tomorrow, no questions. Why? Cause they would do the same for me. Some people find this claustrophobic and suffocating. They long for the animity of public school. I loved it. It was like an extended family that I didnt have. I got a wedding inventation from a girl I hadnt seen or talked to in 12 years last summer. I showed up, as did alot of other people. 2)Who you are matters. I once asked a girl out, and she said she needed to check with her parents. They said NO NO NO, till she said "but MOM, it's DR.(deleated)'s son.!" I had never met the woman in my life, and neither had my dad, but her mom's response was "OH, ok, have fun, no curfue". That was the only time in her 17 years she didn't have a curfue. It isnt about money or power, I went to school with the jet set and the hamburger helper, it was who you were. People know you just as well as their kids know yours, and they do know. (ie show up to the BBQ's and the sports games, it does matter) 3) Not everyone is ment for public schools. I was really quiet and rather personalityless when younger. I would have been crushed in a school of 2000 kids. Some of my best friends went to large public schools and loved it. Send your kids to the best school for them, not the school with the best ranking. 4) Teachers are there to teach. If they arnt, complain. The only time I ever saw my 9th grade prinipal scared was the day a dad came in to complain about a teacher. They actually do lissen, especially when your complaint is legit, and not "but he HAS to get all A's or....". There is no union a bad teacher can hide behind. 5) You earn your grades. I never met anyone who didnt get the grade they deserved. There was no such thing as a guarenteed C. I had one teacher stay every other lunch period (t,th) with a buddy of mine so he could pass. But he was gonna do it on his own. AP physics or not. 6)Every public school is different. Every private school is different. Hell every CLASS is different. The cool kids in my class had 4.0's, weekend jobs, and walked the straight and narrow. The class right ahead of me, well, they explain the rise of the Felix cartel. Again, BE INVOLVED. Personally, I think parents are always the difference. Good kids come from the worst schools. The worst kids often go to the best schools. Stop worring about what school they are going to go to in 2015 and start worring about who they are gonna be in 2015. We had 100% college attendance and I never even knew a girl who got pregnant, but that doesnt guarentee your kid will turn out right. (ALSO, I kinda think private HS and gradeschool is harder on the girls than the guys. I cant explain it, but I just think the expectations are higher of them for some reason. This is counter balanced by guys expereiences in College, when it is just fine for girls to want to be a teacher or a writer or artest or whatever, but the guys had better be getting ready for the next round of schools (ie phD, MD, MBA) ) Login or register to post comments flu, you do fit the Submitted by barnaby33 on March 18, 2008 - 5:31pm. flu, you do fit the stereotype, you bitch about other Chinese. You live in CV and from the sound of it you work in IT. How is that not a stereotype? Lots of people need 6k square foot houses, for instance the Chargers (if the whole team lived together.) The Mormon tabernacle choir comes to mind. People with a grandiose sense of self worth, who don't mind denuding the planet of resources for a sense of place. Josh Login or register to post comments flu, you do fit the Submitted by flu on March 18, 2008 - 6:10pm. flu, you do fit the stereotype, you bitch about other Chinese. You live in CV and from the sound of it you work in IT. How is that not a stereotype? Lots of people need 6k square foot houses, for instance the Chargers (if the whole team lived together.) The Mormon tabernacle choir comes to mind. People with a grandiose sense of self worth, who don't mind denuding the planet of resources for a sense of place. Josh Sigh. That hurts :) selfportrait ----- Sour grapes for everyone! Login or register to post comments Ash - I don't know what it Submitted by jpinpb on March 18, 2008 - 6:10pm. Ash - I don't know what it is. I lived in NY for years. I can wear sweater upon sweater and never be warm. I have really very low body fat. Maybe that's why. Other than that, maybe there's something wrong w/me. I have low cold tolerance. I even get cold here. My brother LOVES being back east. Most of my family is still there and they will NEVER move here. All I can do is go back and visit and I agree. Nothing beats Christmas w/snow and a fireplace. I cherish going there for the holidays. I tough it out while I'm there and I can manage the cold for short periods of time. Also, I think I have S.A.D. so the gloomy days are a major downer for me. I do miss the fall, also. Login or register to post comments Thanks for all the Submitted by sdduuuude on March 21, 2008 - 12:32am. Thanks for all the discussion / comments. Just a follow-up on our likely decision. After meeting with a contractor, and actually considering the idea of writing a $50,000 check, the simple comments of wombadavis are rising to the top. Stay put and live with things as they are. And save, save, save for the bottom, bottom, bottom. We may do something small to this house, if we can do it ourselves or find a low-cost temporary fix. As far as school choice goes. I just want to find a school with good resources and great teachers where my kids won't encounter physical violence at the lowest cost to me. I worry little about preferential treatment, cliqes, economic status of their friends and the like. I seriously doubt that I can keep them from such things for their entire lives so they may as well encounter them young and learn to make the best of them. I do my best to teach them values that make them, first and foremost, good friends to others and I believe that will allow them to find happiness in any school situation that I choose to put them in. I don't expect any school to make my kids great. I expect my kids to make their own school experience great. I could never live in Denver, let alone Wisconson. My temperature range varies from San Diego to Tucson. I have started to watch Carmel Valley more closely now. I drove through the two neighborhoods in the southwest and northeast corners of I-5/Del Mar Heights. Those are promising, for sure. Thanks for pointing them out. Login or register to post comments Wow... I am getting both Submitted by cyphire on March 23, 2008 - 1:54pm. Wow... I am getting both stoked and scared about moving - but when I remember that it's for the kids, my fear goes away. Ash - you remind me that it's got its really good points - weather not being one of them. I just confirmed getting a furnace for my garage - I will wait out next winter and send pictures to the site! We almost bought a house 2 houses from Barry Alvarez!!! But the one we settled on fits my features list. I love Union Terrace - had ice cream there. Most interestingly the things that drive me the most crazy about so cal don't exist there. You can park right on the square of the capital building and actually get a spot - and there is no real traffic at all. Everything in Madison is a 5-15 min drive. I took my son and his buddy to 6 flags on this Tues in North LA. We left the park at 3:15 to go back to La Jolla. 150 miles. We got home at 8:45 (had to stop at about 6pm for dinner (45 min) because i couldn't feel my legs anymore. We averaged about 30 miles an hour... but really more like 15 miles an hour and 60-70 miles an hour after dinner. It was horrible - but the weather was great!!! Anyway - I'm going to have fun there... And moan about the snow and cold like everyone else. I like to hang out in coffee shops, and especially like it when it is cold and snowy outside. I will survive!!!! (I hope!) Login or register to post comments Guess you were wrong about Submitted by ILoveCarmelValley on May 1, 2008 - 9:05pm. Guess you were wrong about valuing 5289 Foxhound at 800K - it closed today for $1.25. Login or register to post comments Some follow-up on this Submitted by sdduuuude on June 7, 2008 - 11:53pm. Some follow-up on this thread. Some of the places we were looking at, 3 months later: 5289 Foxhound Way Zillow still lists for sale. Redfin shows not for sale, no recent sale. SD Lookup shows not for sale. 13088 Sunset Point Place Not listed for sale or showing recently sold on any of the three web sites (Zillow, SD Lookup, Redfin) 13243 Evening Sky Court: Sold May 15 for $1.585 Million It's neighbor - not shown for sale or sold on any of the three web sites (Zillow, SD Lookup, Redfin). 13340 Barbados Way: Lowered the listing price to $799,999. Currently shown for sale on Zillow at that price. Sign is still up. Not shown for sale or recently closed on Redfin or SD Lookup. Login or register to post comments dude the neighbor on evening Submitted by SD Realtor on June 8, 2008 - 12:26am. dude the neighbor on evening sky has withdrawn the listing. 13088 Sunset has not been for sale since it sold back in 2007 so it looks like that young couple is sitting tight. Foxhound was sold per the earlier posting in this thread. Hang tight and in a few years you will see deals you are looking for. Perhaps even a tad sooner. SD Realtor Login or register to post comments Hi. Anyone able to help me Submitted by sdduuuude on July 6, 2012 - 3:00pm. Hi. Anyone able to help me with the history of this place. It's of idle interest - we looked at it long ago, when I first made this thread. I saw it come up for sale again today. SD Realtor posted something in June 2008 that the house was off the market but looking at Redfin now, it shows that it sold in April 2008 for $1.4M. So it had sold in April but SD-R was unable to see the sale as of June 2008 ? Was it foreclosed on in 2008 or was that a "real" sale for 1.4M ? Anyone? Anyone ? http://www.redfin.com/CA/San-Diego/13088... Login or register to post comments Not sure what info he was Submitted by sdrealtor on July 6, 2012 - 3:05pm. Not sure what info he was looking at but it was a real sale. The buyers had just gotten married and it looks like her dad who owns a pretty well known company footed the bill. Probably moving up to RSF now. Login or register to post comments Thanks for reviving this Submitted by spdrun on July 6, 2012 - 3:19pm. Thanks for reviving this thread -- the East vs West (in both senses) back-and-forth is HILARIOUS. Login or register to post comments FWIW Cyphire lasted less than Submitted by sdrealtor on July 6, 2012 - 4:03pm. 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