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With as many mistakes as live news broadcasts makes, this is the best you can do for a conspiracy?

If the BBC knew, how many people would need to know?

Right, if indeed your claim is true that they called it before it happened, why don't we strike it up to some grand conspiracy and not just a simple technical error on the part of the BBC. And get this, I also hear that American forces really didn't invade Iraq in 2003. In fact, we aren't there right now either. My source? The former Iraqi information minister - he said so on TV in 2003 so it must be true.

...in fact, we aren't there right now either. My source? The former Iraqi information minister - he said so on TV in 2003 so it must be true.

So what you're saying is that the BBC is as reliable a source of information as Saddam's state-controlled media?

Ministry of Truth indeed...

Why would anyone mistakenly announce that a 47-story building has fallen down when it has not? It was barely damaged, buildings 3, 5 and 6 were in much worse shape (and they never collapsed either). Just look at the position of WTC7 in the site plan.

Also note that prior to the building's collapse, the BBC is reporting not only that it collapsed but that it collapsed because it had been weakened by fire (although no skyscraper fire had ever previously resulted in a collapse). I guess there was no need to have an investigation after all, since they knew not only that it fell down but why it did before it even happened.

It's obvious that the building was supposed to come down a little before 5pm but there was some kind of delay. The press releases went out on schedule but the demolition was 30 minutes late for some reason.

borat, 4plex - if you are living in America, then you are supporting with your tax dollars a government which you believe to be responsible for murdering thousands of people. You combat this supposed monstrosity not by attempting to assassinate the people you hold responsible, or moving north or south across a border, but instead by posting anonymous comments on a housing forum.

How do you live with such cowardice?

How come all this conspiracy evidence only started to come out after 2001? The same conspiracy tried to destroy the WTC in 1993, after all.

9/11 sorta reminds me of this...

There were all sorts of reports that were wrong that day. I kept a journal as things were happening. Journalists were reporting rumor furiously. Much of that reporting turned out to be wrong. That is what happens in such a crazy situation.

So the BBC was in on it to, huh? What tripe!

You combat this supposed monstrosity not by attempting to...

bgates, I don't know what country you live in, but here in the USA, we effect political change through informed discussion, elections and the best system of representative government in the world (although it's not perfect of course). We don't do it through violence or by simply fleeing when we don't like the way things are going. Comments like yours are bullying and, I must say, rather un-American!

In a Scripps Howard poll in July 2006 36% of respondents said it is "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that federal officials either participated in the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon or took no action to stop them."

In comparison, the same Scripps poll found that 38% of Americans think the "federal government is withholding proof of the existence of intelligent life from others planets"

In other news...

Greenspan is an alien.Alien or Not ? You be the judge.

It must be true, I read it on the web from a reporter named Steven LaTulippe
http://www.lewrockwell.com/latulippe/lat...

Borat, you think a government that would murder thousands to start a war is going to be voted out of office?

But if you want to stay in the country and work non-violently, I congratulate you. The good news is there is a principled way to do that: If you really believe your own claims about 9-11, don't pay your taxes. Thoreau went to prison for not paying taxes due to his opposition to the Mexican War
Cast your whole vote, not a strip of paper merely, but your whole influence. A minority is powerless while it conforms to the majority; it is not even a minority then; but it is irresistible when it clogs by its whole weight. If the alternative is to keep all just men in prison, or give up war and slavery, the State will not hesitate which to choose. If a thousand men were not to pay their tax-bills this year, that would not be a violent and
bloody measure, as it would be to pay them, and enable the State to commit violence and shed innocent blood. This is, in fact, the definition of a peaceable revolution, if any such is possible.
Is the reason you don't follow him into prison that you lack his principles, or that you don't think murdering thousands is really all that bad, or because secretly you don't believe your own ridiculous conspiracy fantasies?

Is the reason you don't follow him into prison that you lack his principles, or that you don't think murdering thousands is really all that bad, or because secretly you don't believe your own ridiculous conspiracy fantasies?

No bgates, the reason is simply that I don't believe in breaking the law. Two wrongs don't make a right. This is a nation of laws, not a nation of men. The principled way to effect political change in this country is to engage in informed debate and participate in elections.

You certainly seem motivated to get others to break the law -- first an incitement to violence, now a proposal for tax revolt! If I didn't know you better (I love your software by the way -- Windows XP is awesome), I might suspect that you're an agent provocateur.

"In comparison, the same Scripps poll found that 38% of Americans think the "federal government is withholding proof of the existence of intelligent life from others planets"

I call this the 'trailer park effect'.

Amazing. So the media never make mistakes?

4plexowner, let me ask you something. What are you an expert on? Have you never seen a mistake in the media on that subject?

The media make mistakes all the time. In fact, we're lucky if 70% of what they report is correct.

Just for fun, though, I'd like to hear a plausible explanation of how BBC would end up reporting such a thing before it happened other than a mistake.

If all you need to do is take down a building to get the press to cover it, why bother with contacting the press beforehand? (Not that I REALLY have to debunk this--it's quite amusing actually.)

Welcome back bgates! We missed you! Hope FL is treating you well.

Please do b- slap these conspiracy bozos a few more times, sir.

I really love threads like this.

It allows us a glimpse at the inner workings and perspective of people in matters other than economics. That way we can effectively evaluate their opinions on real estate and economic matters and understanding how their minds work, discount them appropriately.

One more thing to ponder for all those nut jobs out there. This might be a good time to apply the principle of Occam's Razor, which is roughly that "All things being equal, the simplest solution tends to be the best one."

Case 1 - In a chaotic situation following a terrorist attack someone told someone else that they are evacuating a building in case it collapses, that person told someone else that they had to evacuate because the building had collapsed and that person told a reporter that the building had collapsed, in a classic conversation-chain.

OR

Case 2 - The US government orchestrates a phantom terrorist attack on the WTC buildings. A smaller nearby building is the target of a fourth aircraft that is accidentally taken down in Pennsylvania (possibly by a branch of the military that didn't get the conspiracy memo). To make the thing seem more real, they use actual jet aircrafts on the WTC buildings and some other small projectile at the Pentagon, but claim that it too is a jet. Each of the WTC buildings involved were equipped with explosive devices to enable them to be imploded on cue, since they would no collapse on their own under the faked attack. A secret part of the government plans to release information to the BBC at exactly 4:57pm to let them announce that WTC7 has collapsed. They do this just in case nobody notices that the building falls down when they implode it. The government employee in charge of this release accidentally gives the information to the BBC before the building is actually imploded.

Chris Johnston

This is the most absurd topic I have ever heard, and an insult to everyone's intelligence who visits here. If you hate the US that much, just leave, the borders are open.

Finally some sense is being made around here. Case 2 is a slam dunk.

Really, what was to gain by downing WTC7....the 2 large buildings collapsing were not enough for our government to react to????

This is unbelievable that this is a topic at all. Does anyone else notice that the Feds cant keep anything a secret? Somebody always leaks and that happens in programs where far fewer people are involved in as opposed to what would have been a monstrous operation to stage that attack.

Do you not think that the mainstream media would kill for a story like this? Did you not notice that they would do anything to impeach Bush or fight the government in general??? Plus, it might just be good for ratings to air such a story. I think a credible story on the government backing 9/11 might just beat out another story about Anna and would make that reporter a cult hero and loaded for the rest of his/her life. I guess there isn't much to be gained by breaking this story.

Instead, we keep getting routed to sites such as prisonplanet and liveleak. Nutjobs.

Conspiracy theories about 9/11 are just an outgrowth of Bush-hatred.

The liberals lack for any sort of positive ideology so they have to resort to rumors, enuendos, "Vote early and vote often", and conspiracy theories.

The liberals (leftists) are just anti-American. What will they do when Bush leaves office? I predict they will become even more shrill.

Yeah... What you all said! We really could have crushed all these "nut-jobs" if only the BBC hadn't "cocked-up" and lost all 3 of their copies (in different locations) of the biggest event on the biggest day of the past 50 years in world history!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/20...

(Response #4)

Guess someone over there figured they weren't important anymore.

Oh well, I guess we'll just have to continue to call these people "nut-jobs" and crazy conspiracy people instead of actually getting answers to the questions. Darn that BBC losing their tapes!!!

(What? BBC 24 news has a copy with time stamps on it? Awe Crap! Totally forgot about them.)

I think the "telephone" scenario is how the WTC7 collapse news spread from the site of the attack to the BBC news; no way were they a party to any inside information. All it would take is for one person in a fire captain's outfit to tell some first responders that "The building is coming down -- it's been weakened by the fire. Go tell the other units to get back." and the story would spread quickly to the emergency crews and media. There were many fire units from all over NYC and as long as his badge was from a different unit, they wouldn't question his authority. After that, he just takes off his hat and jacket and disappears back into the crowd. No one ever remembers where they first heard the story, they just know that they heard it from someone...

Or maybe it actually did collapse from a fire. I'm no expert, it just seems really suspicious that's all.

The BBC has conveniently lost their tapes, not because they're part of any conspiracy, but because they are embarassed. They've been shown as being unreliable, they report hearsay without even doublechecking it.

bgates - I don't really consider myself an expert in anything

I am an aerospace engineer by education - I graduated with honors from one of the nation's top universities

I am a software developer by profession

I have read a bunch of material about real estate and financial manias/bubbles

I learned enough about real estate to increase my net worth by a factor of 100 (that's factor not percent) investing in San Diego real estate (and selling it before the bubble burst)

I have read almost everything I have come across about 9/11 and I have watched all the video clips too - I find that what the government is telling us doesn't add up

The biggest 'smoking gun' in my mind is this: prior to 9/11 no metal-framed building had ever collapsed due to fire - there had even been several high-rise buildings that burned vigorously for hours without collapsing - and when the first metal-framed building in the history of the world collapses due to fire what happens? - the metal supports are taken to recyclers who agree to quickly process the metal instead of being taken to engineers who could analyze them and determine how we could prevent more metal-framed buildings from collapsing due to fire in the future

Glad I could provide you with some entertainment today

Dumbest post I've ever seen!

Dumbest post I've ever seen!

Since your're the latest entrant into the fray, Michael, I shall direct my comment towards you. First, a few questions:

1. Who was the executive director of the 9-11 commission?

2. What was his previous job experience?

3. Name the co-chairs of the 9-11 commission.

4. Which member of the 9-11 commission resigned in disgust?

5. Who replaced him?

Five very easy questions, and ones you didn't even have to read the 9-11 commission report to answer. If you could not answer those five questions off the top of your head, Michael, you've got no business defending the official story because you haven't a clue what it is.

Guess what? I have read it. It sucks. Guess what else? I'm an eighth generation American. My great, great, great, great, great, grandfather served in the Continental Congress. So anyone telling me to get out of the country for questioning my government can kiss my ass.

let me ask...

Why no leaks from anyone involved???

Why no mainstream coverage???

Being an 8th generation American makes you no more of an American....nice try though.

Dugie944 Don't post that crap on here. Pathetic. I hope you live in a dark dank sewer some where so that you aren't forced to endure human contact. The fear of contracting an alien disease may be too much for you.

I don't understand that response at all. If you could explain it for me JRex I would be greatly appreciative.

Why isn't there a conspiritist with an answer to the above?

The government can't even wire tap terrorists without it coming out in the mainstream media. But rig a building with explosives and kill thousands of Americans, and nobody blows a whistle???